and them constantly leaving the studio to come back dressed as someone else in order to support their own argument
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and them constantly leaving the studio to come back dressed as someone else in order to support their own argument
Look I chose the London Spurs as a team 5 years ago around Bale because I thought we’d they’d win loads of trophies like my other teams Barca, The Patriots and Roger Federer. I’m seriously pissed that this hasn’t materialised. I’m a winner. Just ask my 6mth old. Hasn’t beaten me at penalties, chess, connect four or hungry hippos the LOSER.
I have no issue with your definitions of what is elite and non elite, but frankly you're making the wrong contrast from the outset. The division should be financially doped v sustainable. City/Real/PSG are based on huge investment that will never be paid back and has endless resource until that well is emptied - United/Woolwich/Us are sustainable, we exist in a world where we have to balance the books.
The minute you see it this way everything we're doing makes sense, if you want to retain players or grow sustainably, you need a bigger stadium because that will increase the income stream and therefore improve the club's ability to retain talent. If you want to be very hard nosed about it, the player that Real would have paid £100m for is now £200m because our ability to say no to an offer has increased because we have created more sustainable wealth, that's not madness or unambitious, it's giving the club a more stable long term platform.
Taking off the hardheaded side of things the new stadium is a fantastically good thing too, as someone who was on a waiting list for 14 years for a season ticket, I felt denied when it came to seeing Spurs regularly, a lot of fans who wanted to get to see Spurs were not limited by ticket price but sheer availability. I won't say I'm a fan of Wembley but one thing's for sure, it democratised our fan base, those who want to see Spurs have got to see them and the new stadium gives that opportunity to more of our fans every game, the pricing will be a contentious issue and may see fallout but if you are not excited about being in the new White Hart Lane with 59000 other Spurs fans cheering the team on, I question why you want to follow this club.
Finally, I think your main argument is that the board are prioritising the money over the glory, the runs in the CL and PL over the FA Cup and the League Cup. No one here wants Spurs out of the cups but the reality is that they are not what they once were, we won the League Cup in 2008, it wasn't a platform that led to the Premier League. Woolwich won the FA Cup and had their parade and yet they knew that the cup was a piece of paper barely covering a crack. If we win the FA Cup I'll be on the high road cheering the bus past. The fact remains, retaining a place in the champions league will make us more sustainable, will allow us to retain more talent and more for the club in terms of prestige and money than an FA Cup ever could. It's not a situation that makes me happy but it is the reality that we're faced with.
When you look at the way the club is managed, the goals set, the fact we are fighting on 3 fronts pretty fucking well, I struggle to see how you can be too critical of ENIC, aside from the very salient points that the Trust have pointed out.
This is the problem with your argument, it's not to make us United, Real or Barca, it's to make sure we are in a better financial place than we were before. The argument cannot be that the new ground will suddenly make us bigger than well established super clubs, that isn't happening. The financial argument is that it makes the club stronger and more likely to remain as a Premier League club, more likely to retain players and harder to extract players away from than we already are. You can't expect to make us the world's biggest sporting franchise, to expect that is delusional. Be careful here my argument is not that the new stadium will allow us to buy players for £200m that's not happening because that kind of money comes from an Oil Well or state aid.
That is an opinion, it's not one that is entirely proven, how a team finds and retains their players is not predicated entirely on money. You can see this by the squad we currently have, they have not cost us necessarily high transfer fees and they are not the best paid players in the league, yet here we are. Not every player is soley motivated by money and we have advantages beyond just the money, we have a respected manager, we have a base in London (which is attractive to most non english players), we have a bonus structure. Our players aren't pleading poverty and it is inevitable that we will not keep all our talent but we'll also buy well and develop our players, those players in our development squad will see that if they're good enough they will play, unlike some of those languishing or being loaned out by Chelsea & City, it's not delusional to believe we can't retain more of our talent as time goes on. As for honours, do you think that's what attracted Aubemayang to the Emirates? Also we might lose Alderweireld, you know what? If we do, horrible as it will be to lose him, we'll replace him, that's life.
The qualification culture? Seriously! They have been 17 years, do you think we had a qualification culture in 2001? Were we winning things? Had we been pretty much shocking for the decade leading up to that point, barely qualifying for Europe, barely surviving in the Premier League? If someone spoke to you back then and said, 'this lot are going to give us a team that can challenge for the league, they're going to build a new training centre that looks world class, a new stadium and guess what, you're even going to finish above Woolwich.. Would you be arguing about a 'qualification culture'?? I don't get it..
The horrible truth is we may not win a thing and you have to ask yourself is it better that we've had a bloody good go at it with a quality squad or do we have to regard it as another failure? You say that Woolwich have won 3 FA Cups in 4 years, that isn't saving Wenger, do you not see? Once you win the FA Cup that will never be enough, you might say it's a nice problem to have, I am not so sure.
Boo Hoo! But we are competing with the elite clubs!!!
It moves us on par with Liverpool, much closer to Chelsea and if Woolwich fail to get CL this year and we do we should be fucking close with them too (that scenario is about a £70m combined swing in our favour). Fucking hell mate, that leaves City and Utd. the highest valued club on planet earth and the biggest club on earth, get some perspective for fucks sake!
Oh and given what we have seen on the spending in recent years are you seriously trying to say that Utd's recruitment has been better than ours, I mean fuck me look at the utter shit their half a billion pound spend has got them. Are you trying to tell me Utd has a better team than ours?
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We can't compete with the elite?
Out of the seven teams you've listed, we've only played 4.
In the last 18 months, we've beat all 4 of them.
You've not been here very long, have you?How has a thread about ACTUAL verbatim engagement with the club's board, with THST have published extensive notes, descended into a pissing contest between us and "elite" clubs and 5 pages of arguments about who's more realistic and whether we are/aren't can/can't compete?
MG asked for an update on naming rights. Many had been expecting an announcement now the stadium was progressing.
DL explained that the stadium financing was not conditional on selling naming rights. THFC are in discussions but they will only contract when they are satisfied with the price, the tenure and the counterparty.
DMC assured that the number required for commercials was in the business plan and the stadium financing meant it was not an essential for the stadium to open
Until such a time that a partner is found, the stadium will be referred to as Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
DL explained that the stadium financing was not conditional on selling naming rights. THFC are in discussions but they will only contract when they are satisfied with the price, the tenure and the counterparty.
DMC assured that the number required for commercials was in the business plan and the stadium financing meant it was not an essential for the stadium to open
Until such a time that a partner is found, the stadium will be referred to as Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
no it wont
It will be referred to as White Hart Lane............
whether Levy likes it or not.
Whilst some of the answers were frustrating, this is only the recorded minutes. No one knows what the tone of questioning was like and if any of the discussions got heated. Hopefully we can get Kat or martin back on to the pod soon to talk about what it was like in there.
Smoked Salmon
I'd suggest you become a full member of the trust for £10 and then you can vote on who you want to be on the executive committee or even run for it yourself if you're unhappy with how they are going about their business.
In my opinion, you can't just go in there screaming and shouting or the club will simply make these meetings less and less frequent. A certain level of diplomacy needs to take place. I think it's encouraging that levy himself was there and has acknowledged the lack of communication around various issues.
Smoked Salmon
I'd suggest you become a full member of the trust for £10 and then you can vote on who you want to be on the executive committee or even run for it yourself if you're unhappy with how they are going about their business.In my opinion, you can't just go in there screaming and shouting or the club will simply make these meetings less and less frequent. A certain level of diplomacy needs to take place. I think it's encouraging that levy himself was there and has acknowledged the lack of communication around various issues.
OMG - we should send them a couple of guys from here...
Imagine our team just having 2 people argue with each other over what the answer should be for the whole length of the broadcast!!
"Stop being cunts and build the stadium you slack bastards!"
"Tell us the deal with BAE or stop paying him with our money you daft cunt."
"Tell us why it is too complicated to just pay off Archway... Don't just tell us it is you silly cunt"
"Tell us why Daniel Levy still holds a strong relationship with Madrid despite them cunting us off?"
"Tell us the deal with BAE or stop paying him with our money you daft cunt."
"Tell us why it is too complicated to just pay off Archway... Don't just tell us it is you silly cunt"
"Tell us why Daniel Levy still holds a strong relationship with Madrid despite them cunting us off?"
If Poch says the player can go the player can go. Simple
But we beat Chelsea regularly!!!!!!
Juve isn't an Elite club, WTF!!! They have 30 odd championship titles to their name, have EIGHT fucking European Titles x2 of which are old big ears and have reached the final twice in the last three years!
We are building a stadium that WILL let us have the capita to sustain our ability to sustain what we are doing, we have already surpassed Atletico and Dortmund and we should do the same with Juve at the end of this season (100% certainty if we knock them out of the CL), we've achieved the WITHOUT the money from the stadium. Now ADD the money we get from the new stadium that gives us MORE money in addition to that we get from the UK TV rights deal, happy fucking days!! Where the fuck do you think Woolwich money comes from, they don't win anything, they don't compete for titles domestically or in Europe yet they are the 6th richest club in world football!!! Our new stadium money, them not in CL whilst we are brings us very close to their revenue!!
So we have an elite team, your words, and should be nudging revenues close to 6th richest club in the world, yet you sit their pouring cold water on this, fucking hell mate you are dead inside. You basically have said what's the point of us, when the reality is what's the point with you supporting us? Ye of so little joy. Fuck me.
I honestly don't see the problem with a few less than ideal journeys. The reality is that A) the PL employs the players and managers it does making it the greatest competition in the world due to all the TV money. That TV money pours in because of how lucrative it is. Its lucrative because the weekends (and often while week) is chuck full of great matches. If all matches went back to Safurday afternoon it would be very damaging to the English game. Difficult journeys are a necessity for the money that's propelled the game forward.
B) less than ideal away trips probably open the opportunity for many more to experience away days than would otherwise be possible. If every trip was perfectly scheduled then you'd get the same 2,000 odd hardcore travellers at every away trip. It's hard enough as it is for many to break through and score away tickets for many matches. Sucks to be inconvenienced sometimes, no doubt, but it's not like the club has trouble shifting its allocation. That means there's nothing really wrong with the way things are....just a bunch of entitled geezers who have been at the top of the LP list for ages getting the hump because the PL, club, and Sky booked a match without checking their personal schedules first.
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- DL maintained a good relationship with President Perez and this conversation may be reopened in the future
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" bit chilly up there though, wasn't it?"
" I guess so"
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