Tottenham Hotspur v Man City (2/2/2020)(4.30pm)

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We obviously rode our luck with the penalty save and the numerous chances City fluffed but we stuck in there and showed grit.

City are a better team than us, obviously. But right now we are not trying to be better than City or Liverpool, we are trying to be better than the rest of the pack and I think we are seeing signs that we can get there once the rebuild is complete.

We have made some really astute signings since the end of last season and I have no reason to believe this won't continue into this summer.

If we get top 4 and some good cup runs then that's a great achievement by Jose but I think he will be judged after a full pre-season and after the adding the final touches to his squad.

On the bench yesterday we had:
Vertonghen
Lamela
Sessengon
Dier
Gedson
Ndombele
Gazza

Add a new striker/DM/RB and the return of Kane and suddenly we have the best squad we've ever had, even during the dizzying heights of 16/17.

It's almost like we are returning to the rebuild stage when Poch arrived but with higher potential players - Lo Celso and N'dombele instead of the Mason and Bentaleb's of this world.

Than you Jose for getting me excited about Spurs again.
 
Oracle said:
This isn’t a screenshot of a newspaper, are you feeling ok?
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For your joy 😀😀😀
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SausageVince said:
Alf deserved what he got.

And anyway, it is a player's right to leave a bit on another player. It is part of the game of football. Anyone against it is against the game.
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Not for the first time on here you’re talking crap

That was a disgraceful challenge by that coward Roy Keane
‘Hard Man’ my arse
Dave Mackay would have had him for breakfast!
 
VonnegutBusy said:
We obviously rode our luck with the penalty save and the numerous chances City fluffed but we stuck in there and showed grit.

City are a better team than us, obviously. But right now we are not trying to be better than City or Liverpool, we are trying to be better than the rest of the pack and I think we are seeing signs that we can get there once the rebuild is complete.

We have made some really astute signings since the end of last season and I have no reason to believe this won't continue into this summer.

If we get top 4 and some good cup runs then that's a great achievement by Jose but I think he will be judged after a full pre-season and after the adding the final touches to his squad.

On the bench yesterday we had:
Vertonghen
Lamela
Sessengon
Dier
Gedson
Ndombele
Gazza

Add a new striker/DM/RB and the return of Kane and suddenly we have the best squad we've ever had, even during the dizzying heights of 16/17.

It's almost like we are returning to the rebuild stage when Poch arrived but with higher potential players - Lo Celso and N'dombele instead of the Mason and Bentaleb's of this world.

Than you Jose for getting me excited about Spurs again.
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For Jose though being better than the rest won't be good enough eventually he wants to be better than Liverpool or city that has to be the aim of the club.
 
BangkokSpud said:
You must live one sad life - I will be on cloud nine until Wednesday and when we bash Southampton my mood will just get better ... but hey, each to their own.
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I can't be arsed to click and read what he said - some stats based argument that we were shit and didn't deserve to win, no doubt.
We fucked things up by not getting anyone sent off and by putting the ball in their net twice to their never I guess.
It would have been nicer to watch us steamroller them, but they are backed by billionaires who want to advertise their country/airline and don't care about costs.
how sad it must be to live in a world where things are unfair, because humans don't do what the statistics tell them to do.
 
Anyway - hot take.

It wont be pretty, it will create (even more) division among the fans, and it will almost certainly end badly.

But we are on our way to being a team that can win games when it matters.
 
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Also - Hot Take.

www.theguardian.com

The beguiling power of football behind Manchester City’s loss to Spurs | Jonathan Liew

Forget fancy formations and statistics. If Tottenham’s 2-0 win over Manchester City proves anything, it is that football remains riotously random
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"Naturally it was tempting to chalk this up as a classic José Mourinho spoiler victory: one in the eye for his old foe Pep Guardiola, a salty two fingers to the doctrine of possession football, a gigantic up-yours to Unicef. This is the game of expectations, and some managers are better at it than others. Sam Allardyce used to linger on his wins in near-pornographic detail, leaning lasciviously into the microphone and explaining at great length how the previous 90 minutes had simply been fate’s messenger. “We played the three in midfield and the two up top with the quick switches of play and they couldn’t handle it,” he would gush, and you would sit there nodding sagely, because after all he had just won a Premier League game, and you hadn’t. Then you would leave the room and realise, with a jolt: hang on, didn’t your team just get battered?

And yet, for all City’s shot supremacy and dominance of the ball, this didn’t feel like a classic anti-football treatise. Mourinho teams have always been prepared to soak up pressure and take the game deep, but it’s a strange sort of masterplan that owes its success to a missed penalty, at least two knife-edge VAR calls, a shot hitting the post via two minuscule deflections and a freakish red card against the run of play. What may end up going down as the signature win of Mourinho’s first season at Tottenham was the result of no real discernible strategy, no cogent internal logic: just the crude and comical nihilism of football.

To Mourinho’s credit, even he didn’t try to dress this one up. Tottenham were, he admitted, “a bit lucky in a couple of situations”. The penalty drama was, he said, “God’s will”.

And in a way, this has always been a central plank of his thinking: you can propound your fanciful ideologies and your pretensions to control, and yet there will always be a part of the game that you can never touch. It’s a manifesto of chaos, a template of nothing at all, and yet here, as this game wound to its illogical conclusion, it seemed like the only truth left in the world. "
 
bus-conductor said:
Having watched the MOTD highlights again, I am still disgusted by that Sterling decision. That's a fucking ankle breaker, and that's the kind of thing we want punishing the most. What do they (the referees assoc) mean "no intent to injure" that's fucking completely irrelevant, no player would say they are intending to injure.

I also think, for the second time in a big game (Liverpool being the other) that Aurier's penalty decision was also very harsh, considering how long they looked at it, he doesn't actually touch in any discernible way Aguero, and in the context of many of our penalty decisions this season's that was extremely harsh.

I support VAR, want it, think it's a good thing in general, but the issue is still the idiotic decision making of English referees who are wasting a good opportunity to take pressure off themselves. There was no subjectivity in that Sterling decision at all. He misses the ball and goes studs first out of control into another players ankle which clearly bends. It was a miracle Alli wasn't fucked quite badly.
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Almost agree with all of that Blakey.

Agree about the "intent to injure" this shouldn't come into it. I've seen a player brake a leg when they've swung for the ball, missed and followed through into the oppo player's foot (like Coleman's leg break a couple of seasons ago). Son shouldn't have been sent off against Everton.

I think Sterling should have gone but not because I thought it was a straight red but for the sake of consistency. That's to say that there have been two or three tackles like that this season already, all went to VAR and all of them decided it was a red. (Personally, the tackle in itself was a classic late tackle, happens all of the time at any level of the game, 100% a yellow card but in Sterlings and all the others, there wasn't anything deliberate other than a genuine attempt to get to the ball, but it was late. It wasn't reckless but that's bye the bye).

I hate VAR, have done so even before it's introduction and this season has reinforced everything I hatted about it. But if it's here to stay (I don't see a reason for it to remain) then perhaps a solution is to have permanent VAR ref's, so those sat at VAR HQ only ever do this role, whilst they are qualified ref's, they don't referee PL matches, their only job is to man VAR every single game, the same pool of people. It means that their interpretation of the infringement has the chance of being consistent because it's awarded by the same person(s) in the room.
 
Guido said:
Almost agree with all of that Blakey.

Agree about the "intent to injure" this shouldn't come into it. I've seen a player brake a leg when they've swung for the ball, missed and followed through into the oppo player's foot (like Coleman's leg break a couple of seasons ago). Son shouldn't have been sent off against Everton.

I think Sterling should have gone but not because I thought it was a straight red but for the sake of consistency. That's to say that there have been two or three tackles like that this season already, all went to VAR and all of them decided it was a red. (Personally, the tackle in itself was a classic late tackle, happens all of the time at any level of the game, 100% a yellow card but in Sterlings and all the others, there wasn't anything deliberate other than a genuine attempt to get to the ball, but it was late. It wasn't reckless but that's bye the bye).

I hate VAR, have done so even before it's introduction and this season has reinforced everything I hatted about it. But if it's here to stay (I don't see a reason for it to remain) then perhaps a solution is to have permanent VAR ref's, so those sat at VAR HQ only ever do this role, whilst they are qualified ref's, they don't referee PL matches, their only job is to man VAR every single game, the same pool of people. It means that their interpretation of the infringement has the chance of being consistent because it's awarded by the same person(s) in the room.
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That should be a red card all day long. For me that's the worst kind of foul, saying it's "late" or not deliberate doesn't justify it, or reduce the risk to the other player. It's a lame excuse for what is a reckless and dangerous - potentially season ending (or even career damaging) foul. I would give those more than the normal 3 games ban as well. I'd give them 5. Make any player think about what they are fucking doing. And I'd say the same if it's our player.
 
bus-conductor said:
That should be a red card all day long. For me that's the worst kind of foul, saying it's "late" or not deliberate doesn't justify it, or reduce the risk to the other player. It's a lame excuse for what is a reckless and dangerous - potentially season ending (or even career damaging) foul. I would give those more than the normal 3 games ban as well. I'd give them 5. Make any player think about what they are fucking doing. And I'd say the same if it's our player.
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It's a late tackle, nothing more nothing less.

And I'd say the same if it's our player.

(It's a Red Card because the other similar missed tackles that preceded this were given as Red's via VAR, this is the only reason it should have been given. I don't think Robinson's tackle on Tangana was a Red for the same reason BUT he should have received a red for the sake of consistency).
 
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