I remember Rose getting caught in the same fashion away at Woolwich one year, in fact I'm sure it was worse as he was attempting some daft manoeuvre or something, got robbed and they scored.
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given that his mistake led to an early goal for them and he got a yellow not too soon after that, i thought he should incredible composure and mentality to come back from that and have a decent game.
I think poch will start him at burnley and give him a run of games to instill some confidence in him the same way he has done to foyth
I think poch will start him at burnley and give him a run of games to instill some confidence in him the same way he has done to foyth
nightmare start for him but he worked himself back into it and walked out with a passing grade in my opinion. He needs that type of experience to grow. Same as with Foyth's mistakes. If you do not make mistakes you don't learn
Yep it was worse, Cruyff turn on the half way line when he had a bit of time yet dawdled.
Thankless game to learn the trade, tbh. How he consumes the experience will be deceding for him.
Remember when Robbo threw the ball to King. Who turned around and ran up the pitch, the ball hit him on the back and some gooner cunt scored. Pires I think.
Jan and Toby have all fucked up, so what.
He should have just hoofed it but tried to play football and lost the ball. At the end of the day, he was on the halfway line, not in our own box, but you have players of O.Dembeles quality and that’s what happens.
Don’t forget it was KWPs good run which led to our free kick. And it was a poor free kick that led to his mistake...
Jan and Toby have all fucked up, so what.
He should have just hoofed it but tried to play football and lost the ball. At the end of the day, he was on the halfway line, not in our own box, but you have players of O.Dembeles quality and that’s what happens.
Don’t forget it was KWPs good run which led to our free kick. And it was a poor free kick that led to his mistake...
Yeah, last bit people don't seem to want to mention. Eriksen's poor free kick lead the goal and his set pieces were absolutely horrendous all game.
Considering we can look back from a position of comfort and joy (*), one could argue that his mistake will be a good thing for him....
1. Grandest stage (that incident will play over and over for him without leaving a scar like our exit would have... Would it have the same impact as a learning device if it had happened vs Burnley at the weekend?)
2. Didn't ultimately cost us (so the fickle amongst our fans should - hopefully - remain supportive)
3. Recovered his performance superbly (I think the way he settled, he'd have seen the game out if Poch wasn't looking to flood the pitch with attacking players).
(* Christmas, innit! 
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)Said it before... Him & Foyth have a tougher climb into the seniors than Mason, Bentaleb, Carrol, Kane etc. (Also similarly relates to Winksy following his injury set-backs). Europa League was a god-send for these guys.
Regardless of team performance from week to week, we are competing at a higher level. If we wanna continue to see the youth flourish, they'll need more support and patience than ever.
What's the alternative?
....Anyone rather see us doing a City/Sancho?
Even if Pep can't (or at least can't commit to more than 1 player at a time - See Foden), or Jose can't, Fergie still found a way to blood youth and be dominant and so can we.
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Barcelona vs Tottenham: Kyle Walker-Peters hauls himself from Camp Nou’s imposing jaws
As Spurs battled to a draw, Walker-Peters could sit in contentment knowing his redemption was complete. Cost a goal, saved a goal. As a ledger for your Champions League debut, you’d probably take that
The Camp Nou is one of those stadiums that doesn’t really look like it should be able to support its own weight. It’s not just the size, but the steepness: the endless layers piled atop each other like a collapsible lampshade, seats upon seats upon seats, almost casting the pitch into shadow. For the spectator, it’s a vista like no other. For the player perched at the very base of the bowl, it must feel a bit like drowning.
That’s probably how Kyle Walker-Peters felt as he lay flat on the turf a few feet from his own goal, staring up at the night sky, the harsh lights, the thousands of contorted faces delighting in his anguish.
Ousmane Dembele had just scored for Barcelona. Walker-Peters was the man he had just robbed on the halfway line following a Tottenham corner. The clock showed six minutes. And for a player making his Champions League debut in perhaps the most imposing venue in the sport, for once the old cliche about wanting the ground to open up and swallow him didn’t apply. From where he was lying, it probably felt like it already had.
What does a young footballer dream of the night before he makes his Champions League debut at the Camp Nou? Perhaps just the normal stuff: the modern athlete is a pretty implacable sort of character, as they go. Mauricio Pochettino wants his players to be fearless, imperturbable, balanced. Every game is the Champions League. Every stadium is the Camp Nou. Here, you could see it in Pochettino himself, stalking his technical area with the sort of affected dispassion that suggested he couldn’t care less where he was.
But the shadow of Barcelona isn’t like the shadow cast by any other team. For the generation who came of football-watching age when Pep Guardiola and Lionel Messi and Xavi and Andres Iniesta were remaking the game in their image, Barcelona weren’t just any other superclub, they were Ground Zero. Virtually every young footballer on the planet has played as them on Fifa, scrolled through the names on the roster, wondered aloud why Paulinho always seemed to be in the preset first XI.
So here’s the question. Even at a relatively sparse Camp Nou, even with seven first-team regulars rested, even with Messi on the bench: when you’re a 21-year-old third-choice right-back with just 12 minutes of Premier League action under your belt all season, can you possibly sit on the team bus the Camp Nou looms into the foreground, and pretend this is just any other game?
Perhaps not. You could sense a skittishness to Walker-Peters in those early stages, the uncertain movements of a player so furiously trying to suppress his emotions that he’s barely able to do anything else. Perhaps the most arresting thing in those early minutes here was how often he seemed to be falling over. He fell over trying to turn. He fell over trying to pass the ball. He fell over trying to intercept the ball. It was almost as if the magnitude of the occasion had temporarily cut the nerves running from his brain to his body, and the only thing keeping him upright was pure, coursing adrenaline.
He’s only 5ft 8in, and there were times when he looked like a lost child in a vast green garden. After the humiliation of the goal, a couple of his Tottenham team-mates had walked over to offer their consolation, but you can bet he didn’t hear a word. A few minutes later, he was booked for a clumsy foul on Philippe Coutinho. On Twitter, Spurs fans were beseeching Pochettino to take him off and bring on Eric Dier. The clock showed 19 minutes.
But Pochettino didn’t move a muscle. He simply kept pacing up and down that technical area, betraying the casual impassiveness of a man standing outside the Cineworld toilets waiting for his wife to emerge: the discarded popcorn crunching underneath his feet, Marvel plot holes running through his mind. He suspected, as did everyone, that if were to drag Walker-Peters off now, he ran the risk of destroying him, perhaps for good. Young footballers can survive injuries, suspensions, even scandal. They rarely survive being turned into a punchline.
And around the half-hour mark, something strange happened. Moussa Sissoko dropped a little deeper to help him out, and eventually Walker-Peters stopped screwing up. He stopped looking out of place. He made the odd intrepid dart down the right flank. He remembered his job, remembered the game-plan, remembered there was a game still to be won. He even managed to make a medium-to-high-difficulty, left-footed, off-balance pass without falling over. No Tottenham player had more touches in the first half. PSV Eindhoven had gone 1-0 up at the San Siro. Things were looking up.
Then, around 10 minutes into the second half, Walker-Peters was flat out on the turf again. Only this time, there was no time to stop and admire the view. He had just appeared out of nowhere and dived full-length to pull off a brilliant block, just as Coutinho looked certain to put Barcelona 2-0 up. The ball was still in play. And so were Tottenham.
Walker-Peters was substituted not long after that. Erik Lamela replaced him as Tottenham shifted to a more attacking setup. With the coast clear, Ernesto Valverde now felt it was safe to bring on Messi, now the threat of a career-ending KWP-inspired humiliation had passed. And yet as Tottenham battled their way to a 1-1 draw, Walker-Peters could sit in contentment on the bench, in the knowledge that on the biggest night of his career, his redemption was complete. Cost a goal, saved a goal. As a ledger for your Champions League debut, you’d probably take that.
“You need to trust young players,” Pochettino said on the eve of this game. “We don’t have doubts about Kyle. To play in Camp Nou will make him strong, stronger than before. He will be a success, for sure.” And time will tell whether Pochettino’s words bear out, whether Walker-Peters can edge aside Kieran Trippier and Serge Aurier and forge a gilded career at the top level.
But one thing is for certain: his chances are a good deal better now than if Pochettino had subbed him after half an hour. At full-time, as Tottenham’s qualification was confirmed, he took to the field with his elated team-mates and applauded the travelling Spurs fans penned in right at the top of the stadium, six tiers up. They shook their fists at him, and he shook his back at them. And you suspect that for a few fleeting seconds, it was the most beautiful view he had ever seen in his life.
To be a fly on the wall when Poch and KWP have their next meeting together
I'm sure someone in the match thread basically echo'd the managers sentiment ten minutes into the game when all and sundry where calling for the lads public execution.
This is the conundrum that the modern footballer must face.
Play it simple and short and get derided for "a lack of urgency" or creativity.
Try something technical or play the low percentage pass and fuck it up and lose possession or worse lead to conceding a goal and get hurled under the bus by your "supporters".
Its why confidence is such an essential trait in footballers. Play without fear.
Its also why i have such an issue with fans taking their frustrations out on their own players when a game has barely begun. The last thing a player wants to see after costing their team points is pages of "useless cunt get out my club" tweets.
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As has been alluded to already, he's still very young, in 1st teams matches played (let alone STARTED) he's in single figures,
Plus, let's not forget, EVERYONE makes mistakes...
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...but as the old adage goes; "it's not what happens, it's how you deal with it"
KWP will only grow from last night...
The fact he had his 'mare early on, meant he had about 85 minutes to make up for it (which he did...) mistakes can define, or be the making of people sometimes.
This could be the making of him!
Plus, let's not forget, EVERYONE makes mistakes...
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:walkercry:...but as the old adage goes; "it's not what happens, it's how you deal with it"
KWP will only grow from last night...
The fact he had his 'mare early on, meant he had about 85 minutes to make up for it (which he did...) mistakes can define, or be the making of people sometimes.
This could be the making of him!
Agreed with all who say that he did brilliantly to hang on and turn it around. The first few minutes must have been his worst nightmare - and he was there stuck on a pitch with tens of thousands of fans letting him know that - and he turned it around. A bit like Foyth the other week - seems like Mo throws them into the fire to learn from the depths and then grow. No way can a spurs fan complain - apart from Levy not providing more depth - certainly not KWP's fault. He f'd up - and found his strength - and grew.
Glad he had a chance to lay the demons of Camp Nou.