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Incomplete_usernam said:
This one is worse than all of those, our worst defeat in club history on the world stage after finishing CL runner up in the last comp.

It was embarrassing to witness that last night, no respectable team loses like that in the CL, shows that we are either completely out of our depth or that our team just doesn't give a shit, neither is good but the latter is inexcusable, I would even go as far to say that it's the most embarrassing defeat for a club in CL history given that all the other huge losses on record have come against farmers, the only one you can compare it to is Barca VS Celtic but that's Barca.

Bayern aren't that much better than us.
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I tell you why last night to me was bad enough but not as bad as the ones I quoted in my previous post:

- at least I saw 35 minutes of more than decent football from us (not the case in the games I quoted above)

- as painful as it is, this is probably the end of a cycle, but not even today I have any doubt that we are heading into the right direction , i.e. winning major trophies. I have never expected to achieve this with this generation of player and with Poch and I appreciate that there is probably no way back for him, but I feel very relaxed about or future (although this and next season can be VERY painful)

- better to watch a defeat like this in the stadium (and it was my first time ad NWHL) than on telly

- I had a niggling congestion or something similar (I couldn't even have more than a pint before the game), which was more painful than the final scoreline :)
 
Deckard said:
I tell you why last night to me was bad enough but not as bad as the ones I quoted in my previous post:

- at least I saw 35 minutes of more than decent football from us (not the case in the games I quoted above)

- as painful as it is, this is probably the end of a cycle, but not even today I have any doubt that we are heading into the right direction , i.e. winning major trophies. I have never expected to achieve this with this generation of player and with Poch and I appreciate that there is probably no way back for him, but I feel very relaxed about or future (although this and next season can be VERY painful)

- better to watch a defeat like this in the stadium (and it was my first time ad NWHL) than on telly

- I had a niggling congestion or something similar (I couldn't even have more than a pint before the game), which was more painful than the final scoreline :)
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Your first two points summarise it perfectly for me. Players are capable, but something desperately needs to change in the cycle.

Whether or not that's with Pochettino I'm still undecided. Doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as when we were coming to the end of the AVB reign, because as a club we're further ahead than that. Particularly with regular champions league football and the new stadium.
 
Pete27 said:
Trying to recollect other heavy home defeats from years gone by that I've seen;

Watford - May '85 (day of the Bradford disaster)
Derby - Jan '73 (winning 3-1 with 20 mins to play and lose 3-5 after aet)
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I remember that Derby one

Fucking nightmare
 
I don't get why people think this is the worst or most painful loss in our history.
Have watched us draw in the league and felt worse than last night.

Yeah it's a lot to concede and the players gave up, but it is also a group game in the Champions League. It wasn't a do or die fixture. We didn't get knocked out. It wasn't against a club with a fan base I can't stand - wasn't an English club.

Before the game I was speaking about how under Martin Jol or prior to that time, the idea of playing Bayern Munich in the Champions League at our own 60,000 seat stadium was simply not on the radar. To be honest playing Inter, AC, Juve, Barca, Madrid, Bayern for example - these were just not teams I ever got to see us play against. I have my profile picture as a photo I took at Wembley in a moment of disbelief.. My Tottenham are 3-0 up against Real Madrid!!
(Also want to mention how stunned I was at the amount of 'fans' pouting, smiling, taking selfies after the final whistle. I can only assume they aren't Spurs - but there were hundreds of them.)

I would rather look at this game as a stunning wake up call. The Newcastle and Leicester defeats were by 1 goal in games we could have won - we rarely lose by more than 1 goal. Last night will have given the players a lot more to think about than those defeats - about themselves as well as the club.

City should have done this to us, and I would rather it were at the hands of Bayern to be honest.

Can see us going there and getting a result though. A hard fought point against their reserves that squeezes us through to the knock out round maybe,
 
Well I'm not in tears like I was in the '90s when we'd ship six or seven goals. But that's because I'm not ten years old anymore.

Last night is worrying because I felt like we had left that sort of total collapse behind. The team entirely gave up and every attack was resulting in a goal. That is what is concerning. There are players there who do not care and don't seem prepared to play anymore. We shouldn't be conceding seven goals against anyone. However I've now not got a lot of confidence that this isn't going to continue happening whenever we meet a good team.
 
This is the most embarrassing result I can remember, although I’m sure I’ve blocked out some from the dim and distant for my own sanity.

i did feel worse after the CL Final though. And after the lasagne match. And the lowest I’ve felt in almost forty years of supporting Spurs was the FA Cup semi in 95. Don’t know why but recall feeling we were onto something then and winning the cup that year would have heralded an era of success. Then Amokachi decided to fuck us up.

I despise Paul Fucking Rideout to this day for getting injured and allowing Amokachi to come on.
 
The part about last night that really bothers me is how much it reminded me of the 5-0 against Liverpool. It was clear earlier that season when we got stuffed 6-0 by City that the players weren't listening to AVB, and it took until that Liverpool game for Levy to see it. What I'm worried about is essentially a carbon copy of that when we go to Anfield next week. If the team gets decimated again, I don't know how Levy can just sit idly by and let Poch finish out this season.

Sure, we're 1 point off top 4, but the performances have been worrying all season. We can still play CL footie next year, but something has to change and fast. What is that change going to be? A new manager or a new squad? I know which one is easiest.
 
Mampi said:
I don't get why people think this is the worst or most painful loss in our history.
Have watched us draw in the league and felt worse than last night.

Yeah it's a lot to concede and the players gave up, but it is also a group game in the Champions League. It wasn't a do or die fixture. We didn't get knocked out. It wasn't against a club with a fan base I can't stand - wasn't an English club.

Before the game I was speaking about how under Martin Jol or prior to that time, the idea of playing Bayern Munich in the Champions League at our own 60,000 seat stadium was simply not on the radar. To be honest playing Inter, AC, Juve, Barca, Madrid, Bayern for example - these were just not teams I ever got to see us play against. I have my profile picture as a photo I took at Wembley in a moment of disbelief.. My Tottenham are 3-0 up against Real Madrid!!
(Also want to mention how stunned I was at the amount of 'fans' pouting, smiling, taking selfies after the final whistle. I can only assume they aren't Spurs - but there were hundreds of them.)

I would rather look at this game as a stunning wake up call. The Newcastle and Leicester defeats were by 1 goal in games we could have won - we rarely lose by more than 1 goal. Last night will have given the players a lot more to think about than those defeats - about themselves as well as the club.

City should have done this to us, and I would rather it were at the hands of Bayern to be honest.

Can see us going there and getting a result though. A hard fought point against their reserves that squeezes us through to the knock out round maybe,
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Absolutely agree with this. It's a smack in a face against a top team who finished their chances ruthlessly compared to our flaky misses.

If we didn't have so many lapses in concentration last night the scoreline would have been closer to 2-2 than 7-2.

The issue I had last season was how many errors led to goals we conceded. This season doesn't seem like thing as have or will change. Ndombele had the chance to clear for their first, chose not to lump it (much like Arsenals first against us, it's just lazy and unaware football when it's a minute before half time), Aurier was awful for 3 of their goals last night, first lunging in when he should have focused on cutting Gnabrys options off by running him as close towards the corner flag as possible. You lunge, you miss it's your error. He gave up on the runner again much like he did against Leicester, that's not acceptable and he gave a lazy ball away whichntheunscored from, much like Alderweireld did.

Winks got smothered and lost the ball when heads had gone, it was more a punishment than a humiliation. I still think we showed very promising signs last night, it was the game management and damage limitation/ professionalism when it came to the clubs needs above the players that I had/ have issues with.

They were ruthless but a team like ours should never be shipping the goals we did. Gnabry has one Bundesliga goal this season, that tells you all you need to know about how much of a fluke it was that he had his laser beam laces on last night. It should never have happened but it does. We play that game another 100 times and the gap between both that happened last night won't happen again. We've been long overdue a wake up call, maybe this tonking is what the lads need to get their head out of their phones and realise the severity that's been allowed to unfold.

Let's see how the lads do over the next two games which to me are far more important than how we got on in last nights game. Shit or bust for them tomswoftly show what they are made of, over to you boys.
 
For 35 mins last night we looked like CL finalists.

For 35 mins we looked like CL group stage '4th team in the group' fodder.

For 20 mins we looked like my mates on a Sunday morning trying to play while hungover against a team of 17 year old academy players.

As performances go, it was still vastly better than when we lost 1-3 to Birmingham in the League Cup under George Graham. That is forever my benchmark of shit.
 
LLB Part Deux said:
For 35 mins last night we looked like CL finalists.

For 35 mins we looked like CL group stage '4th team in the group' fodder.

For 20 mins we looked like my mates on a Sunday morning trying to play while hungover against a team of 17 year old academy players.

As performances go, it was still vastly better than when we lost 1-3 to Birmingham in the League Cup under George Graham. That is forever my benchmark of shit.
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See the thing is, I don't think we looked like pot 4 fodder.
4th team in the groups go to the pot 1 teams away from home, and don't let in that many goals.
That's because they know they will be beaten. They set up expecting to lose, and to limit damage from the first whistle.

We obviously thought we could win. Think of the fans reaction now if we lost 2-0, but set up like Villa or Newcastle did at our place - I honestly think it would be worse.

I do believe we went about it in 'the Tottenham way' in some regard. At 4-1 I actually felt quite proud of how we were playing, attacking, going for it, believing we can win like last seasons campaign.. Kane bags the pen, and its game on! Poch made attacking changes to get something from the game.

4th team in the group at 4-1 down don't attack. They don't bring on more attackers. They accept defeat. We weren't prepared to do that and I wouldn't want it any other way.

The catastrophic blow was the 5th. Absolute soul destroyer for everyone involved. Perhaps at that point we should have stuck everyone behind the ball - but I wouldn't be happy with that.. seeing out a 5-2 loss so it doesn't get worse.

We kept exposing ourselves, and the heads went. I believe the Champions League final defeat is still very sore with the squad as it is with me.. Like there's an expectation of the injustice being corrected by laws of karma or something - but it doesn't work like that, not often anyway.

“Winning isn’t everything, but wanting to win is.”
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
All good here. Checking in 'safe'

Seen us lose 7-0 at Anfield so no biggie.

I'm Tottenham 'til i Die. From the Cradle to the Grave.
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I stayed until the final whistle last night... I’ll not say because I was a good fan but more out of morbid fascination than anything else.
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It was a gutter, no mistake. But I wasn't as traumatised as I should have been, I'll admit.

Just a thought: I remember a game where we were wining 3-0 against Manure and ended up losing it all in the second half. From 3-0 to 3-5, I think. I've only been a supporter since 2007 and I can't find any record of this. I might have the score wrong, but anyone recall this? (it's not the one from 2001, btw, that was before I gave a shit). Might have been woolwich, maybe, but I'm pretty sure it was mankfester.

Come to think of it, I'm fairly sure it was at mould trafford.

FOUND IT: 25th April 2009. We were 2 up at half time. Cunts.

"The first cut is the deepest"...
 
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The Newcastle game was a lot worse than that. And I can only presume people calling this the worst ever haven't been around very long!

First half we were mostly brilliant. On another day Son has a hatrick inside 15 minutes. We took a risk by going more attacking at 2-4 down. It didn't pay off. Bayern are one of the very best teams in the world and were both clinical and lucky.

If we're going to take a thrashing, a Champions League group stage game against the top seeds (who you won't be head-to-head with) is the time to do it. Goals 5,6,7 are humiliating but ultimately incidental.

COYS.
 
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