And so does EVERY fucking player FFS!!!
I can list several errors per player in yesterday's game alone (for BOTH teams).
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I can list several errors per player in yesterday's game alone (for BOTH teams).
no every player does not make a ridiculous amount of unforced errors.
THIS!!!
So much THIS!!!
If I could be bothered I could write an essay every match of the minor and major errors Dire makes. Small things like clearly not spotting danger building (did again for 1st goal yesterday) to electing not to step forward a yard to clear a ball to the real humdingers like bad touch, bad pass, missed balls etc. This stuff happens in every single game, every single week.
Just because the ball doesn't hit the back of the net doesn't mean it doesn't have a seriously negative impact on performances.
1) intercepting passes to cut them out ends the opposition attacks. Stops us falling onto the back foot for longer
2) sensing when there is danger stops attackers off the ball receiving it - same as effect as above
3) Bad touches give the ball away
4) Bad passes he does end in 1 of the scenarios - a) out for throw in in - ball comes back - b) goes to the opposition - ball comes back c) hits one AT a team mate who is heavily marked - ball comes back
Everything Dier does results in us falling back and having to defend longer.
If anyone still rates him then maybe football isn't a sport they should watch.
The real issues in this game was that Dier made a mistake.
Other than that and a bit of bad luck with decisions and hitting the post twice, we would have won.
The second half was our best football so far this season.
Got my tinfoil & thinking hat on today.
More very blatant dubious officiating, though corruption & favouritism comments for another thread…
…that being said - we can’t control what the refs will or won’t do. We can control our 1st half performances though.
Wtf is going on? Instructions maybe to control the game & limit intensity until later when our high fitness levels make a difference? If so, this is being grossly misinterpreted by the players to the point of apathy.
Two goals is always a mountain to climb against top teams.
We’ve failed every big test we’ve had in the PL this year despite being 4th & in last 16 of CL.
My old teacher would say, doing ok, lots of talent but must focus more & try harder.
Jury’s still out on the season, still very much COYS & want this group to win something together.
I am absolutely fucking livid about that push on Sess. Cheating cunts. Conte needs to be careful calling out the fans when his players make us swallow shit sandwiches for 45 minutes at £80 a go.
More very blatant dubious officiating, though corruption & favouritism comments for another thread…
…that being said - we can’t control what the refs will or won’t do. We can control our 1st half performances though.
Wtf is going on? Instructions maybe to control the game & limit intensity until later when our high fitness levels make a difference? If so, this is being grossly misinterpreted by the players to the point of apathy.
Two goals is always a mountain to climb against top teams.
We’ve failed every big test we’ve had in the PL this year despite being 4th & in last 16 of CL.
My old teacher would say, doing ok, lots of talent but must focus more & try harder.
Jury’s still out on the season, still very much COYS & want this group to win something together.
I am absolutely fucking livid about that push on Sess. Cheating cunts. Conte needs to be careful calling out the fans when his players make us swallow shit sandwiches for 45 minutes at £80 a go.
It was on the cards, wasn't it, Mrs P? We play rubbish and we sneak a win, but we play well and lose. The better team definitely lost yesterday, thanks to VAR.
Now that the game has taken place I hope that Notabadsquad , who responded to my post above with "Right... thanks." will begin to understand what the post meant.
Did I enjoy the game? Nooooooo. Yeeesssss. Nooooooo. Yeeeessss.
Ha!
I told one guy selling half and halves afterwards to do summit better with his life ..
Albeit I was pissed...off! And pissed, but fuck it.
I KNOW it brings in revenue, but it's the wrong type of fan it's attracting.... we've become a tourist bucket list tick now .. along with BUCKING HAM PALACE and THE TAWARRRR OF LUNDON!
But as you can see, we were third before the Liverpool game.
That's why I think it would be important to find out very quickly why we played shit together in the first half and acted like the new English champions in the second half!
Of course, Kulu was important for this success, but it can't just be down to one man - that would be a disaster if we were dependent on it.
However, I trust the responsible people and I hope that the reason for the first halves will be found. If we act like we did in the second half against Liverpool (and Tottenham can do that!) then fourth place isn't the end of the road - meant in a positive way.
So let's go COYS!
Normally I have an extreme view on this because I don't like booing, I think it's counter productive but I have sympathy for your argument, I understand that your expectations are now raised because of the prices you pay you want to be entertained at the very least - just not a fan of booing when it's unnecessary.
...the accent?
Portuguese sounds more like a Russian coughing up a furball.... horrible language!
I don't even know what that means ...."take the L" ...?
as in iverpoo...? Yeah, I'll take that, ta laaa!
And as for the fucking flares from their end ... I thought they weren't allowed either?
But I guess, like Trent AA's blatant push that somehow WASN'T a penalty, it's ALL allowed when it's iverpoo!
It's not even about 'being entertained' ....let's face it, ANY win would've been ' entertainment' regardless of how it was achieved....
It's about satisfaction.... I get the feeling that the joy is slowly being ripped out of football...
Whether it's the prices, VAR, pre-match 'entertainment', tourists... I dunno.
But it's not what it was...
Losing still hurts, but for those that win, it now feels hollow and 'bought'....
Football enjoyment, like so many aspects of life these days, is slowly dying.....
We can't even celebrate a goal properly any more ... I was loathe to celebrate Kane's consolation goal TOO much yesterday, as I had one eye on the ref... just in case he did the little 'screen thing' with his hands.... THAT'S not right, is it?!
I think they'd be more people satisfied if they were being at least entertained, if we peppered Liverpool with loads of shots and had lots of the ball for example but still found ourselves 2-0 down then I don't think the voices would have been as loud.
Because YOU and we all love this sport!?
I'm not advocating violence, but did no one hit him...?
Or at LEAST escort him off the premises?!!!
The fact I don't even know if it's a good or bad thing that I can't work out whether this is a good or bad thing, is probably a bad thing!
I have not booed myself at a game, but I can now understand why after years of sub standard shit.
I refuse to boo.... I agree, it doesn't help anyone...
But I did shout "BOLLOCKS" very loudly at HT, out of frustration.... which, in hindsight probably sounded like a boo from the pitch.... so I'm just as guilty as the rest!!
Yiddi
You're being highly selective. So what that we didn't look like we turned up before Royal was wrongly sent off? This is our gameplan and to be honest against Woolwich that was probably the best way to approach the game, they look to dominate a game and press really high and aggressively for the first 20 mins of a game, so you allow for that, play compact, deep and narrow, don't let them in behind, let them blow themselves out and once the press drops then play a different phase of the game. Don't get sucked into the narrative that we have to go all out guns blazing from the opening whistle, it's a 90min game (people are so sucked into this narrative that they think we played like this in the first half yesterday, which just shows how fucking clueless people are - between the two goals we were comfortably the better side - but people talking about that half as us "starting slowly" again, that's bollocks!).
Against Utd we were dogshit and deserved to lose, as at no point in that game did we have any control of the game, from defensive phases, possession and into the attacking third, we were totally outplayed.
Control isn't always about us being on the ball, if we chose not to have it then we are still controlling phases as the oppo isn't getting in behind. An example of this and back to the Woolwich game, we contained them, their only effort was from outside the box from Partey which they scored with. In the margins and percentages of the game that's how we chose to set up and play if they are going to attack them let it be from outside of the box or at worse crowd them out inside the box and make it as low % as possible. The same again when we went to Stamford Bridge, we let them have the ball and they didn't create much (they have issues in this dept), perhaps we showed them too much respect (that's my feeling) but we were worthy of that point.
"Same old Tottenham" - Is just utter bullshit. We've lost just 6 PL games in our last 30! In the manager's 1st season whilst taking over from the worst 2 performing managers, we've had in 20yrs!!
Now, if you have an issue with the aesthetics of our style of play then that's fine to crack on with that. It's not great on the eye (although I thought that wasn't the case yesterday). But I feel there is context to this too, mainly because of the world cup and 3 games per week from almost the get-go. But our record under Conte shows how effective we've been playing this way (the end of last season was better on the eye also)........
The aesthetics of how we play I don't like. I like my teams to have the ball and press high (I'm a full-blown Poch disciple) and my posting history attests to this. I was highly vocal on a) not wanting Jose at Tottenham b) and hated how we played under him because we were shit. However, people putting these two managers in the same bucket are clueless, just look above at the graph in case there is any doubt, Jose is a dinosaur vs Conte is elite and knows exactly what he's doing. (When Conte-ball is clicking it's also very good on the eye, for those transitional phases that is, it will still have a period of control without the ball and those transitions are developed by lots of backward passing as we attempt to draw teams onto us to create the space (but it's a long way off Jose ball).
Yesterday was a good performance and the result didn't reflect the performance, whilst hugely frustrating I'm hugely encouraged about the performance. It's also miles away from any comparison on the other games you mention and even better than the Newcastle performance in which we were the better team on the day.
Against Utd we were dogshit and deserved to lose, as at no point in that game did we have any control of the game, from defensive phases, possession and into the attacking third, we were totally outplayed.
Control isn't always about us being on the ball, if we chose not to have it then we are still controlling phases as the oppo isn't getting in behind. An example of this and back to the Woolwich game, we contained them, their only effort was from outside the box from Partey which they scored with. In the margins and percentages of the game that's how we chose to set up and play if they are going to attack them let it be from outside of the box or at worse crowd them out inside the box and make it as low % as possible. The same again when we went to Stamford Bridge, we let them have the ball and they didn't create much (they have issues in this dept), perhaps we showed them too much respect (that's my feeling) but we were worthy of that point.
"Same old Tottenham" - Is just utter bullshit. We've lost just 6 PL games in our last 30! In the manager's 1st season whilst taking over from the worst 2 performing managers, we've had in 20yrs!!
Now, if you have an issue with the aesthetics of our style of play then that's fine to crack on with that. It's not great on the eye (although I thought that wasn't the case yesterday). But I feel there is context to this too, mainly because of the world cup and 3 games per week from almost the get-go. But our record under Conte shows how effective we've been playing this way (the end of last season was better on the eye also)........
The aesthetics of how we play I don't like. I like my teams to have the ball and press high (I'm a full-blown Poch disciple) and my posting history attests to this. I was highly vocal on a) not wanting Jose at Tottenham b) and hated how we played under him because we were shit. However, people putting these two managers in the same bucket are clueless, just look above at the graph in case there is any doubt, Jose is a dinosaur vs Conte is elite and knows exactly what he's doing. (When Conte-ball is clicking it's also very good on the eye, for those transitional phases that is, it will still have a period of control without the ball and those transitions are developed by lots of backward passing as we attempt to draw teams onto us to create the space (but it's a long way off Jose ball).
Yesterday was a good performance and the result didn't reflect the performance, whilst hugely frustrating I'm hugely encouraged about the performance. It's also miles away from any comparison on the other games you mention and even better than the Newcastle performance in which we were the better team on the day.
Yiddi You're being highly selective. So what that we didn't look like we turned up before Royal was wrongly sent off? This is our gameplan and to be honest against Woolwich that was probably the best way to approach the game, they look to dominate a game and press really high and aggressively for the first 20 mins of a game, so you allow for that, play compact, deep and narrow, don't let them in behind, let them blow themselves out and once the press drops then play a different phase of the game. Don't get sucked into the narrative that we have to go all out guns blazing from the opening whistle, it's a 90min game (people are so sucked into this narrative that they think we played like this in the first half yesterday, which just shows how fucking clueless people are - between the two goals we were comfortably the better side - but people talking about that half as us "starting slowly" again, that's bollocks!).
Against Utd we were dogshit and deserved to lose, as at no point in that game did we have any control of the game, from defensive phases, possession and into the attacking third, we were totally outplayed.
Control isn't always about us being on the ball, if we chose not to have it then we are still controlling phases as the oppo isn't getting in behind. An example of this and back to the Woolwich game, we contained them, their only effort was from outside the box from Partey which they scored with. In the margins and percentages of the game that's how we chose to set up and play if they are going to attack them let it be from outside of the box or at worse crowd them out inside the box and make it as low % as possible. The same again when we went to Stamford Bridge, we let them have the ball and they didn't create much (they have issues in this dept), perhaps we showed them too much respect (that's my feeling) but we were worthy of that point.
"Same old Tottenham" - Is just utter bullshit. We've lost just 6 PL games in our last 30! In the manager's 1st season whilst taking over from the worst 2 performing managers, we've had in 20yrs!!
Now, if you have an issue with the aesthetics of our style of play then that's fine to crack on with that. It's not great on the eye (although I thought that wasn't the case yesterday). But I feel there is context to this too, mainly because of the world cup and 3 games per week from almost the get-go. But our record under Conte shows how effective we've been playing this way (the end of last season was better on the eye also)........
The aesthetics of how we play I don't like. I like my teams to have the ball and press high (I'm a full-blown Poch disciple) and my posting history attests to this. I was highly vocal on a) not wanting Jose at Tottenham b) and hated how we played under him because we were shit. However, people putting these two managers in the same bucket are clueless, just look above at the graph in case there is any doubt, Jose is a dinosaur vs Conte is elite and knows exactly what he's doing. (When Conte-ball is clicking it's also very good on the eye, for those transitional phases that is, it will still have a period of control without the ball and those transitions are developed by lots of backward passing as we attempt to draw teams onto us to create the space (but it's a long way off Jose ball).
Yesterday was a good performance and the result didn't reflect the performance, whilst hugely frustrating I'm hugely encouraged about the performance. It's also miles away from any comparison on the other games you mention and even better than the Newcastle performance in which we were the better team on the day.
Strong post