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Bazali when you start with the funnies, you know you have no answer. It doesn’t work, it doesn’t fool anyone, and you just make yourself look stupid because you haven’t the wit, the nous, or the intelligence to refute anything I say. Can you say, with any honesty, that you’ve been a worthwhile poster today?
(And ‘you’ve’ is a perfectly acceptable contraction of ‘you have’. Don’t even think you are qualified to criticise other people’s English. You are as articulate as a sausage)
‘Funnies’?
I got an agree from Sammy
That’ll do for me rather than receive disabled abuse jokes from scum like you
Have you no shame?
Lol, what polo neck jumper? I don’t own a polo neck jumper, I’m not a cunt. Have you been confusing me with somebody else all these years? Ha ha - polo necked jumper. Get away.
The only caveat to this I think is that sometimes players need the luck, circumstance and opportunity to flourish. Dortmund is a great example of the right environment to develop.
Look at Dele, if we were just introducing him into the team now a lot of people would be calling him a championship player. Gnabry couldn’t make the West Brom first XI, now he’s destroyed both us and Chelsea this season.
You’re not disabled.
You’re not mixed race.
You were never a professional footballer.
Your pretend wife isn’t mixed race.
You think ‘Paki’ is a term of endearment
You’ve never had cancer.
You’ve tried, and surprisingly conned a few on here with your dubious ‘charity work’.
You’ve lied about your age, when you retired and where you live. You lie everyday about something trivial.
Your favourite word is ‘cunt’.
You’re happy to direct the opprobrium of the entire forum to your ‘mate’s’ address. (I can’t admire that).
You arse lick a chav manager you were once happy to pick up likes for abusing.
You have no interesting opinions, other than so and so is a cunt.
You know nothing about football or any other subject as far as I can gather, apart from ‘cunt’ something you certainly haven’t been getting for the last 50 years.
You don’t know your way around Hayes as was evidenced by your painful online bleating as you wandered the streets of that cruel parish with your son and his mates laughing their tits off as they jubilantly stayed one step ahead of you. As I recall you couldn’t summon up the bottle to enter an unfamiliar pub, so you sloped off and had a curry for one in the corner.
I don’t pretend to be an expert in online people, but in my limited experience you are the biggest lying scumbag I’ve ever had the misfortune - and I mean the utter misfortune- to have ever encountered.
Oh dear
Thoroughly triggered now and lying through your arse as usual right through your post
What an unhappy lonely bitter man you are
Wow
!!!Desperate stuff even for you
Toodles and I bid you goodnight
What does that even mean? I own some cashmere crew and v necks, but no polo necks. Who’s outed me? And what as?
Look Baz, if you seriously want to do this, then go on a course, stop drinking, and learn the language of your forebears - that’s English isn’t it? Until then, fuck off with your wank teddies.
Pip pip.
Since the year 2000 we've entered into approximately 73 competions and failed in 72 of them.
There's an interesting thought.
But you’ve literally claimed to be disabled on here! Many times. Jesus, what do you think this forum is? A platform for your monstrous lies? Fucking hell!
Christ it’s shit when you put it like that. I’ve now got the man-child on my case, so I’m off to buy a 4th hand crapola motor and pretend it’s for the ‘wife’. Roll on glory.
With West Ham’s failure in qualifying rounds, does that mean they’ve entered 73 competitions and failed in 75 of them?
Long post alert, sorry if posted previously:
www.coachesvoice.com
THE JOURNEY
PLAY TO WIN
José Mourinho
I’ve always liked this feeling of the unknown.
This question of: can I dominate all the difficulties that come, not only with a new competition, but also a new country?
To win in Italy, in England, in Spain – it requires the flexibility to adapt. To sometimes go against your own ideas and choose the right way to succeed, depending on the reality of the club and of the competition. Even socially, you have to understand the needs, the aims and the motivations of everyone.
I am lucky to be rich with this kind of experience. That’s why now, I don’t close the door to a new country, to a new competition.
There is just one requirement from my side. One thing that I need from a job. I have to play to win.
I am quite pathological in this. Somebody could give me a wonderful, incredible, amazing 10-year contract and tell me: “The objective of the team is to stay in the top half of the table. So, if you finish seventh, eighth or ninth, it’s perfect.” That is not for me.
I need a project where the feeling is I play to win. I compete to win. After that, if I win or I don’t win, then that’s my problem, and that of the players and the club. But I need a project with that pressure. This is my nature.
That was one of the reasons why I first came to Chelsea in 2004 (above). Then, the club was already quite close to success – finishing second in the league and reaching the Champions League semi final.
But there are no big clubs without a trophy room. So the job was to bring Chelsea to that next dimension – to win the Premier League.
It was a job that I felt was very adapted to my mentality, which is: go to win. Our first game was at home against Manchester United. It was important to win, so that there was not a contradiction between our words to the players, our ambitions and the result. If you say “this season we want to be champions”, and then the first match you lose two or three-nil at home to a direct rival, you take one step back. We won 1-0 that day. We took one step forwards.
What I saw in that match was a big relation with what we tried to give the team in pre-season: mental strength, being compact, tactical discipline. And then, being really ambitious in our approach. It’s what I call the ‘all-in’ approach; you have to put everything into that game. Into every minute of the game. Every second of the game.
In terms of your quality, your physical power, your aggression, your emotional control, everything is all in.
That game against United was one of those where you could feel that ‘all in’. One of these matches where I felt, the game is 90 minutes – but it could be 900 minutes and they would not score. We would always win the match.
That season, we were top of the league since September, and in September the media and everybody was saying: “They will collapse before Christmas.” After that, they were saying: “They will collapse by Christmas.” Then it was: “They will collapse after Christmas.” And finally: “They will collapse in Easter.” But they never collapsed. We never collapsed.
Sometimes, especially now, I think people try to hide – sometimes with data, sometimes with comment, sometimes with PR – the reality of things. The reality for me is always that the most important thing is to reach the objective. Which, that season, was to win the Premier League.
So then, is how you do it important?Yes.
We did it playing absolutely fantastic, dominant football. Defensively, we were phenomenal. We also scored a lot of goals. And, once we were in front, we had that capacity to kill teams in transition. We were a very complete team. Almost unbeatable, actually. But not in the sense that nobody could beat us – in the sense that we beat everybody.
The next season was so nice and easy that I felt from the beginning that it was our Premier League.
We were so strong. The team knew when to be more defensive, when to control the game by having more possession, when were the crucial moments to kill opponents in transition. Every time we went in front we had that feeling of: the game is in the pocket.
We sensed a little feeling of fear in our opponents. They wanted to attack us, but they were afraid to do it because they knew we could kill them in transition. They wanted to defend in a low block, but they knew that any crosses into the box with people like Didier Drogba (below) around were difficult. And they knew that, if there were lots of set-pieces, we would arrive with the giants and score. It was a lot of fun.
By the time I left, I felt I had built a good relationship with the Chelsea fans. I don’t know if it is a good thing or a bad thing, but that’s my way when I go to a club. It’s like a sense of duty.
A duty to these people. Not just to the club or to the owner or the players – but to the people, to give it everything. To give the people what they want. And the only way to do that is not just by being a good professional. It’s by being one of them.
Of course, as well as knowing what the fans want, I think it’s important to know what the club wants, too. And to try to deliver that.
At Inter Milan, my agreement with them was that the first season was to keep that dominance in Italian football – to win the title for the third consecutive time. But, at the same time, to fill the need for the Champions League.
To do the second part, we needed to bring the team to the next level.
That first season, I waited and waited until the moment we were knocked out of the Champions League by Manchester United. That was the moment when I told the owner and the sports director: “For me, this is what we need.”
We were a team that, defensively, was phenomenal in a low block. But we needed to bring the line 20 metres higher, to make the team much more dominant, to press higher. To help with that, we needed a fast central defender – that was crucial for us. The work the club did that summer was phenomenal.
Sometimes, simplicity is genius and complexity is to hide that you are not good enough. At Inter, we had a simple structure in the club and so, even when my immediate choice, Ricardo Carvalho, was not possible, they found the perfect solution: Lucio. He was fast. Really fast. He would give us exactly what we needed.
After that, we had to improve our passing quality in midfield. We had fantastic players there: Javier Zanetti, Dejan Stankovic, Sulley Muntari. But we needed to be more dominant. To be more in control.
For that, we needed something different. Wesley Sneijder was the key for us.
The approach was very simple, and the team became really adapted. Not just to keep dominating Serie A, but to become the kind of strong, cynical, intelligent, pragmatic team that could do it against the best in Europe.
Inter had not won the European Cup or Champions League for almost 50 years. Even going back to the 1980s and 1990s, when it seemed like almost every top player in the world played for Inter, they never managed to do it. There was a psychological wall there that had to be broken.
I felt the key moment came against Chelsea in the last 16. To come to Stamford Bridge and win there was the moment people started to believe. Started to feel that we had a team capable of winning it. That moment was the click that the team needed.
The moment when the psychological wall started to crumble. Winning that Champions League was a fantastic achievement. It was not an easy way to do it – we were not exactly lucky in the draws. But we went into that competition with ambition and an incredible team that allowed us to deliver what the club wanted.
It has been more than 40 years since I first started analysing football teams. It began with my father’s team, in a generation where the coaching staff were not like today. At that time, there was the manager and probably one assistant, and that’s it.
There have been many changes since those days. But if you go to the philosophical side of the game, there is one thing that will never change: the team that scores more goals is the team that wins. And that is, for me, the fundamental point of the game.
There are many ways to do it. The right way is, in my opinion, a question of the competition you play and the players that you have.
Many people believe that the team with more possession is the team that is more dominant. But that depends on the way you look at it; a team without the ball can still be in control of the game.
To have the ball is something that affects your self-esteem. For some managers, I think it’s more a question of PR and image.
But a team that is more comfortable with the ball must also know what to do when they don’t have the ball.
In the same way, if a team is just there to defend without the ball, and doesn’t know what to do when they recover it, then you become just a defensive team and your destiny is in the hands of the opponent.
For me, the best team is the one that dominates all these moments of the game.
And the best managers? To be a complete one, I believe you must have three things. First, the academic formation. Second, the understanding of the game that comes from your experience in it. And, finally: the talent.
This last part is the most important. It does not come from your formation: it’s in your blood. It’s genetic. It’s in your DNA. Either you have the talent, or you don’t have the talent.
Even with all that, you are always questioning: can I win?
But it is this feeling of the unknown that I like. I always have.
Play to win - The Coaches' Voice
Winning the Premier League with Chelsea to Champions League glory with Internazionale... José Mourinho on his most iconic coaching achievements
THE JOURNEY
PLAY TO WIN
José Mourinho
I’ve always liked this feeling of the unknown.
This question of: can I dominate all the difficulties that come, not only with a new competition, but also a new country?
To win in Italy, in England, in Spain – it requires the flexibility to adapt. To sometimes go against your own ideas and choose the right way to succeed, depending on the reality of the club and of the competition. Even socially, you have to understand the needs, the aims and the motivations of everyone.
I am lucky to be rich with this kind of experience. That’s why now, I don’t close the door to a new country, to a new competition.
There is just one requirement from my side. One thing that I need from a job. I have to play to win.
I am quite pathological in this. Somebody could give me a wonderful, incredible, amazing 10-year contract and tell me: “The objective of the team is to stay in the top half of the table. So, if you finish seventh, eighth or ninth, it’s perfect.” That is not for me.
I need a project where the feeling is I play to win. I compete to win. After that, if I win or I don’t win, then that’s my problem, and that of the players and the club. But I need a project with that pressure. This is my nature.
That was one of the reasons why I first came to Chelsea in 2004 (above). Then, the club was already quite close to success – finishing second in the league and reaching the Champions League semi final.
But there are no big clubs without a trophy room. So the job was to bring Chelsea to that next dimension – to win the Premier League.
It was a job that I felt was very adapted to my mentality, which is: go to win. Our first game was at home against Manchester United. It was important to win, so that there was not a contradiction between our words to the players, our ambitions and the result. If you say “this season we want to be champions”, and then the first match you lose two or three-nil at home to a direct rival, you take one step back. We won 1-0 that day. We took one step forwards.
What I saw in that match was a big relation with what we tried to give the team in pre-season: mental strength, being compact, tactical discipline. And then, being really ambitious in our approach. It’s what I call the ‘all-in’ approach; you have to put everything into that game. Into every minute of the game. Every second of the game.
In terms of your quality, your physical power, your aggression, your emotional control, everything is all in.
That game against United was one of those where you could feel that ‘all in’. One of these matches where I felt, the game is 90 minutes – but it could be 900 minutes and they would not score. We would always win the match.
That season, we were top of the league since September, and in September the media and everybody was saying: “They will collapse before Christmas.” After that, they were saying: “They will collapse by Christmas.” Then it was: “They will collapse after Christmas.” And finally: “They will collapse in Easter.” But they never collapsed. We never collapsed.
Sometimes, especially now, I think people try to hide – sometimes with data, sometimes with comment, sometimes with PR – the reality of things. The reality for me is always that the most important thing is to reach the objective. Which, that season, was to win the Premier League.
So then, is how you do it important?Yes.
We did it playing absolutely fantastic, dominant football. Defensively, we were phenomenal. We also scored a lot of goals. And, once we were in front, we had that capacity to kill teams in transition. We were a very complete team. Almost unbeatable, actually. But not in the sense that nobody could beat us – in the sense that we beat everybody.
The next season was so nice and easy that I felt from the beginning that it was our Premier League.
We were so strong. The team knew when to be more defensive, when to control the game by having more possession, when were the crucial moments to kill opponents in transition. Every time we went in front we had that feeling of: the game is in the pocket.
We sensed a little feeling of fear in our opponents. They wanted to attack us, but they were afraid to do it because they knew we could kill them in transition. They wanted to defend in a low block, but they knew that any crosses into the box with people like Didier Drogba (below) around were difficult. And they knew that, if there were lots of set-pieces, we would arrive with the giants and score. It was a lot of fun.
By the time I left, I felt I had built a good relationship with the Chelsea fans. I don’t know if it is a good thing or a bad thing, but that’s my way when I go to a club. It’s like a sense of duty.
A duty to these people. Not just to the club or to the owner or the players – but to the people, to give it everything. To give the people what they want. And the only way to do that is not just by being a good professional. It’s by being one of them.
Of course, as well as knowing what the fans want, I think it’s important to know what the club wants, too. And to try to deliver that.
At Inter Milan, my agreement with them was that the first season was to keep that dominance in Italian football – to win the title for the third consecutive time. But, at the same time, to fill the need for the Champions League.
To do the second part, we needed to bring the team to the next level.
That first season, I waited and waited until the moment we were knocked out of the Champions League by Manchester United. That was the moment when I told the owner and the sports director: “For me, this is what we need.”
We were a team that, defensively, was phenomenal in a low block. But we needed to bring the line 20 metres higher, to make the team much more dominant, to press higher. To help with that, we needed a fast central defender – that was crucial for us. The work the club did that summer was phenomenal.
Sometimes, simplicity is genius and complexity is to hide that you are not good enough. At Inter, we had a simple structure in the club and so, even when my immediate choice, Ricardo Carvalho, was not possible, they found the perfect solution: Lucio. He was fast. Really fast. He would give us exactly what we needed.
After that, we had to improve our passing quality in midfield. We had fantastic players there: Javier Zanetti, Dejan Stankovic, Sulley Muntari. But we needed to be more dominant. To be more in control.
For that, we needed something different. Wesley Sneijder was the key for us.
The approach was very simple, and the team became really adapted. Not just to keep dominating Serie A, but to become the kind of strong, cynical, intelligent, pragmatic team that could do it against the best in Europe.
Inter had not won the European Cup or Champions League for almost 50 years. Even going back to the 1980s and 1990s, when it seemed like almost every top player in the world played for Inter, they never managed to do it. There was a psychological wall there that had to be broken.
I felt the key moment came against Chelsea in the last 16. To come to Stamford Bridge and win there was the moment people started to believe. Started to feel that we had a team capable of winning it. That moment was the click that the team needed.
The moment when the psychological wall started to crumble. Winning that Champions League was a fantastic achievement. It was not an easy way to do it – we were not exactly lucky in the draws. But we went into that competition with ambition and an incredible team that allowed us to deliver what the club wanted.
It has been more than 40 years since I first started analysing football teams. It began with my father’s team, in a generation where the coaching staff were not like today. At that time, there was the manager and probably one assistant, and that’s it.
There have been many changes since those days. But if you go to the philosophical side of the game, there is one thing that will never change: the team that scores more goals is the team that wins. And that is, for me, the fundamental point of the game.
There are many ways to do it. The right way is, in my opinion, a question of the competition you play and the players that you have.
Many people believe that the team with more possession is the team that is more dominant. But that depends on the way you look at it; a team without the ball can still be in control of the game.
To have the ball is something that affects your self-esteem. For some managers, I think it’s more a question of PR and image.
But a team that is more comfortable with the ball must also know what to do when they don’t have the ball.
In the same way, if a team is just there to defend without the ball, and doesn’t know what to do when they recover it, then you become just a defensive team and your destiny is in the hands of the opponent.
For me, the best team is the one that dominates all these moments of the game.
And the best managers? To be a complete one, I believe you must have three things. First, the academic formation. Second, the understanding of the game that comes from your experience in it. And, finally: the talent.
This last part is the most important. It does not come from your formation: it’s in your blood. It’s genetic. It’s in your DNA. Either you have the talent, or you don’t have the talent.
Even with all that, you are always questioning: can I win?
But it is this feeling of the unknown that I like. I always have.
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It seems so far away now, but that season was so enjoyable, often times it seemed like the entire squad just clicked to create something magical.
I think Redknapp got 4th twice and a CL quarter when everyone expected 12th and had us playing brilliant football with a far less talented overall squad, despite two standout players.
He’s also won a trophy in his career
Now that is a cry wank.
Sorry I go to bed at night. I’m not interested in your weird ramblings anyway.Yeah, I'm totally with you. These academy guys have moved surprise to expectation with these kids. The overwhelmingly vast majority* will not make it yet they go on and on while ignoring that fact. But don't take PLMT's question as 'honest'. It was a rhetorical ploy that didn't work. He'd rather debate you on that fine point where he could get some purchase rather than your overarching point which was too solid to fuck with. Arguing around the margins is too common round here. I'd rather just say someone has a good point.
And speaking of which, has anyone seensammyspurs around here lately? He seems to have pulled his patented 'swerve' again. He does that when you pin him down. It's almost balletic. You can see it coming but it still impresses with grace and precision when it's done.
“why has Jose earned time Sammy”
“Because he’s world class”
“Yeah but Klopp got to a final so if Jose is good he has to right? He has to match that right? Yeah? He has to doesn’t he ? Yea? Cos Klopp did right? Right? Right?
“Klopp lost”
*something something something not worth reading*
Yeah and?
We also failed for 7 years of the 80s
And for half a decade of Poch as manager and despite you admitting that it was his tactics that cost us silverware on several occasions, you weirdly pine for him and suddenly don’t want a proven winner in charge.