Summer 2014 Transfer Window DISCUSSION Thread

[VirginiaSpur]

An ACL is far far more than a cracked windscreen, it's more like a head gasket failure, in that in many cases it's a weakness that will fail again.

What I've heard from some doctors is that a lot of the recovery from a blown knee ligament is just mental. Even if they've surgically repaired the ligament to where its stronger than it was before and should never rightfully be a problem again, it ruins a lot of athlete's careers simply because they're unable to have that trust in their knee again, and because of that they simply don't perform at the same level.

 

[cahspur]

Go look at your first response to me for the definition of 'shitty' - Gibbsy was right about you after all, I guess.

We don't know the truth about Lamela's injury bar some bullshit speculations and PR-modelled articles but regarding Sandro's knee - that was ages ago and full ACL recovery is well documented in the past, especially at younger age (sub-30) - choosing to sell him over that would be the equivalent of putting your car up for sale because your windscreen cracked - there is no concrete precedent his performance would be greatly affected (every player recovers differently) - quite the contrary in fact. But wait, Lamela is one of your favourite players and Sandro isn't so I'm sure you'll now go and find me some medical links of sports players collapsing on the field following knee surgery so this is pretty much pointless as your mind on the player is made up

Oh, Lamela's my supes totes fave? You may not remember, and I don't blame you, but I was quite vocal on here last summer that I thought he was a senseless acquisition. I'm delighted he's here and delighted to support him, but why in the hell we spent close to 30 million pounds on yet another right-sided player after having two Prem-proven players at the position and nothing but a converted CAM in Siggy and a "bargain buy" from the Dutch league, who also preferred CAM, on the left was just beyond me. Sure enough, that unbalance fucked us this past season. So no, I like the kid but he's certainly not a favorite as I didn't even want him here in the first place.

I fucking adore Sandro, and I've laid this out on many, many occasions. Again, had you been paying attention, you'd know this. And also as I've made clear on many occasions, I think the move is entirely based on his physicality. If he's so fit and highly rated, why would we be set to selling him? But again, "what do I know" since you just miserably cunt off any bit of information before you even begin to consider the context? Could it just be that you're in denial because Sandro is one of you favorites? Oh my, the irony.

I called you a "noob" and that's out of line from all the banter you've given me? I genuinely thought we were just playing around, because I hardly think "noob" is that devastating of an insult. You'll note I never outright went out of my want to cunt off anything you've said before, even when constantly attacking anything I said in reference to "ITK." Nothing but playful banter, until you tried cunting me off because you thought I was ignorant to information that is my profession, when in truth they were just words that went over your head.

The sensible response when you don't know something is to listen, not immediately jump to cunting off and insinuating that person doesn't know what they're talking about. This behavior is precisely why most of this board is "right about you after all."

 

[ArcspacE]

An ACL is far far more than a cracked windscreen, it's more like a head gasket failure, in that in many cases it's a weakness that will fail again.

Every player recovers differently - plenty of players never suffer the injury again and go on to have successful careers - there is no proof suggesting he'd be crocked form there on. Some people have genetically weaker ligaments and are more prone - others suffer impact injures. In fact - sometimes the ligament 'grow' back stronger.

 

[cahspur]

What I've heard from some doctors is that a lot of the recovery from a blown knee ligament is just mental. Even if they've surgically repaired the ligament to where its stronger than it was before and should never rightfully be a problem again, it ruins a lot of athlete's careers simply because they're unable to have that trust in their knee again, and because of that they simply don't perform at the same level.

Very much true. But nonetheless, ligaments do not possess the regenerative qualities of bone. There's a reason they're so often re-snapped.

 

[NCpitNC]

An opinion? Clearly lacking in medical knowledge? Or maybe I can read articles, and apply my knowledge as a medical student to make logical inductions?

It's believed Lamela had a vertebral injury due to his torn muscle problems.

It is known Sandro tore his ACL.

Bone heals much faster than cartilage due to its remodeling capacity, and the fact it is vascular while cartilage is not. I have cited a very easy to read link for you should you choose to read up on the matter: http://www.siumed.edu/~dking2/ssb/skeleton.htm#development

What a shitty manner of interacting with your fellow man it is to cunt someone off and then imply they do not have knowledge on a matter, when in truth it is you who are "clearly lacking" knowledge on said matter? Surely even you can comprehend the degree of deliberate ignorance this suggests?

Speaking purely from personal experience, the ACL takes 2 years to heal. When I did mine, I played 3 more years on it. The first year I was shit, kept injuring myself (groin, calf). Every doctor I went to said that's to be expected, and it would be the second year when I would know how my knee was compared to pre-injury. The second year everything was better, my repaired ligaments are actually the better of my two knees. That's what interests me the most about Sandro, this should be the year when he's able to get passed his injuries.

 

[ArcspacE]

The sensible response when you don't know something is to listen, not immediately jump to cunting off and insinuating that person doesn't know what they're talking about.

Except that you automatically assumed 2 aspects as facts

- we know exactly what went down with Lamela - hence my 'know nothing comment'
- I have no knowledge regarding ACL injuries whatsoever (and seemingly still do)

 

[cahspur]

Speaking purely from personal experience, the ACL takes 2 years to heal. When I did mine, I played 3 more years on it. The first year I was shit, kept injuring myself (groin, calf). Every doctor I went to said that's to be expected, and it would be the second year when I would know how my knee was compared to pre-injury. The second year everything was better, my repaired ligaments are actually the better of my two knees. That's what interests me the most about Sandro, this should be the year when he's able to get passed his injuries.

Yeah, he very well could and that's why he's still worth millions of pounds to a club such as Napoli. If it were impossible, he'd have simply retired. However, the Prem is a much quicker, and much more physical league than Serie A. The human body is not meant to sustain even the stress of modern pro football as is, and especially not an ACL in a big guy (more disproportionate distribution of the lever on the fulcrum) trying to heal in the fastest, most physical league on earth.

Again, I love the guy, and would be entirely open to him staying if it worked out, but I'm simply pointing out why it's understandable to believe the club is willing to sell Sandro at this point in time.

 

[cahspur]

Except that you automatically assumed 2 aspects as facts

- we know exactly what went down with Lamela - hence my 'know nothing comment'
- I have no knowledge regarding ACL injuries whatsoever (and seemingly still do)

Hence my "it is believed" as opposed to the "we know" pertaining to Sandro. It does make sense (cue context) when you consider the extent of his time out, and the fact he saw a back specialist in Rome. "Muscle problems" don't rule a young player out for that much time.

Look, I don't want to keep any hostilities going. Gibbs is exhausting enough, and I do find you funny. But in all honesty, that "noob" comment was meant to be playful. I concede I overreacted to your response instead of simply pointing that out as I should have, but I find it extremely rude to immediately assume someone else knows nothing on a matter after saying something you may simply not know enough about.

So I apologize for my reaction, but I just ask that you consider the merits of the other person, consider the context of what they're trying to say, and then if it still doesn't make sense then sure go ahead and cunt them off. Cool?

 

[JDK]

Difference is, mate - Sandro has proven he can perform at an international level - whereas those other jokers have the odd cameo here and there - hence the context of my initial post

Um, he has? Fred has double the caps that Sandro does and Jo has more as well. Sandro's only real meaningful contribution was during the Olympics which is the least prestigious footballing event there is.

Bottom line, he's a good footballer but somewhat limited. If he was healthy he'd have a role here. But it has been three straight seasons where he has been unable to play more than half the season. If you can get a significant transfer fee for him, it's probably the right call.

 

[ArcspacE]

Um, he has? Fred has double the caps that Sandro does and Jo has more as well. Sandro's only real meaningful contribution was during the Olympics which is the least prestigious footballing event there is.

Bottom line, he's a good footballer but somewhat limited. If he was healthy he'd have a role here. But it has been three straight seasons where he has been unable to play more than half the season. If you can get a significant transfer fee for him, it's probably the right call.

Fred and Jo's contribution is evident irrespective of the caps (they're older too) - Heskey anyone?

Look - I'm not sure what medical knowledge / inside info you possess but I'd be more than happy to give him another season, especially under the new regime - many players have proven us wrong in the past, even more so on the 'fitness' aspect. Olympics least prestigious, ok pal.

 

[JDK]

Fred and Jo's contribution is evident irrespective of the caps (they're older too) - Heskey anyone?

Look - I'm not sure what medical knowledge / inside info you possess but I'd be more than happy to give him another season, especially under the new regime - many players have proven us wrong in the past, even more so on the 'fitness' aspect. Olympics least prestigious, ok pal.

I tore my ACL and agree everyone heals differently. I don't possess any insider knowledge, but the club does and it looks like they are trying to sell him. One would think they know. My only knowledge is that in four seasons here his highest number of league appearances in 22 and he's spent the last three seasons injured for large portions. I'm just looking at the odds and history here.

Plus, I rate Schneiderlin massively even compared to a healthy Sandro. If we got him as a replacement I think he'd be an upgrade even without considering Sandro's health.

 

[Macch]

These Holtby rumors are starting to pick up steam. I wouldn't want him moved out.

 

[cahspur]

These Holtby rumors are starting to pick up steam. I wouldn't want him moved out.

I think it's just the same lame media train as last year. Not only did Poch seem to have personally expressed interest in Holtby in January, but he's also played him in his favored position in the last two freindlies. Would be quite surprised if he's moved on this summer.

 

[danraven]

I'm so happy to be part of a forum with normal human beings,
Spending the last 2 years on SC is like being in jail

 

[Chucklevision82]

I'm so happy to be part of a forum with normal human beings,
Spending the last 2 years on SC is like being in jail

You can tell you're new.

 

[VirginiaSpur]

Yes, we're decidedly abnormal on this forum.

 

[ArtyB]

To be fair SC is fucking full of abnormal freaks....they just make us appear normal.

 

[VirginiaSpur]

Um, he has? Fred has double the caps that Sandro does and Jo has more as well. Sandro's only real meaningful contribution was during the Olympics which is the least prestigious footballing event there is.

Before his injuries Sandro had started to lock up a starting position in their 11. Those caps of his came in fairly short order, after he had broken into our first team and was on such a terrific run of form the season before last.

 

[Dannyboy]

What I've heard from some doctors is that a lot of the recovery from a blown knee ligament is just mental. Even if they've surgically repaired the ligament to where its stronger than it was before and should never rightfully be a problem again, it ruins a lot of athlete's careers simply because they're unable to have that trust in their knee again, and because of that they simply don't perform at the same level.

There are a multitude of variables. I had my op six months later a slip and it popped again. I've now ruptured my left ACL three times now and the knee is a constant issue. Granted I had to wait months for an op, and had the pleasure of four physio sessions at The Whittington so for a pro they have vastly superior medical attention but mentally I was fine at first but now it's definitely psychological now.

 

[cahspur]

There are a multitude of variables. I had my op six months later a slip and it popped again. I've now ruptured my left ACL three times now and the knee is a constant issue. Granted I had to wait months for an op, and had the pleasure of four physio sessions at The Whittington so for a pro they have vastly superior medical attention but mentally I was fine at first but now it's definitely psychological now.

Well tbf, people are far more different psychologically than they are physically. You may be an utter beast in your head, as it seems since you've managed to rupture your ACL three times with, but despite Sandro's appearance he may not be able to cope with that injury as well as you have.

Also worth noting that the Prem is no kind place to someone trying to recalibrate with his body after a major injury. Quite frankly, could very well be the absolute worst environment for taking on such a challenge.