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There are tickets to sheff utd selling today on the site. Just picked one up in the North for 60
Got serious issues, that boy
It's like someone buying a huge house that they can't really afford and filling it with lodgers to finance it!
giant chicken? Proud cockerel pleeease, what an insult
A decent analogy but you don't have 60,000 paying guests, not even the best Airbnb ...
Think of THFC Stadium as a five star hotel that specialises in round ball conventions, trouble is they only happen 25 times a year, so the hotel management has decided to hold oval ball conventions as well ... now round and oval don't really get on but as long as they keep out of each other's way it's all good for the hotel.
With the extra income the hotel can employ more and better staff, provide more and better facilities, and add some extra special offers ... that's good for rounds and ovals and good for the hotel owners as well ... everybody wins.
Well not quite everybody, with their new found magnificence the room rate inevitably goes up, that's supply and demand and you simply can't avoid it.
I think their is another phase to the stadium still to go isn’t there? Sports bars, high end restaurants, hotel etc etc all under the Tottenham brand, think this is where Levy sees the money through NFL if there ever was a team to come here.
The NFL franchise moving to London will not only add massive value to our stadium and ultimately the Spurs brand (I hate it but it's the harsh reality of the modern world) but it will also vastly increase the quality of the area as many bars, restaurants etc will want a piece of the local pie.
In the next 15-20 years I can see the area as a whole being the hottest new area of London,if we had secured an underground line that would have sealed it for me but I do think it'll get a little bit of a yuppy feel slowly but surely which in turn will also add to the brand, club value etc. No way the NFL are moving a franchise over to a place that looks like a dive.
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“The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”
This is a Danny Blanchflower quote NOT a Bill Nic quote, just saying like.
This is a Danny Blanchflower quote NOT a Bill Nic quote, just saying like.
Yeah and when the bolded starts happening let me know about it mate.
The only thing that's happened so far is the room rate has gone up and the sort of guests it's attracting are the type that like to eat prawn sandwiches and complain about noise ruining their 5 star experience.
I am so tired of this argument, honestly it's so disingenuous and stinks of corporate bootlicking.
Look, telling someone to go and support another team because they want their team (who hasn't won a trophy in nearly 12 years whilst all the clubs around them have) is not only a weak argument, it's an insulting one.
You don't have to support a team pumping ludicrous amounts of money into their club in order to see your team win trophies, it's a matter of the owners making the right purchases at the right time and having a well invested network in order to secure the top talent that will win you trophies, if our owners aren't prepared to do that then they simply aren't good owners of a sporting business, irrespective of how much money they make because being successful in sport is about winning silverware.
Also, saying that competitive sport isn't about winning trophies is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard, the whole reason competitive sports exists is to win, to finish top of the pile, that's it, if there was no first place and no trophy to be won then why would sport even exist? Do you think sport would even be what it is right now without the possibility of being the best team? Or are you a "runners up deserve medals" type of guy?
I think the fact that you don't follow sports in general to see your team win trophies says more about your personal ambition, mentality and being happy with mediocrity than it does about the game itself, saying that I am "following the wrong club if you want to win trophies" sums up the mentality of some spurs fans, it's a weak "you've never had it so good" mentality and they view this club as some sort of plucky underdog that would be lucky to have success, it's disrespectful towards a club with such a rich history.
Thankfully, supporters younger than us have a different mentality and want this club to win things so they will eventually speak louder than the complacent and dull "never had it so good" lot that currently occupy sections of our fanbase., it's miserable seeing so many of our supporters settling for second best or third best or fourth best and never wanting the club to push for more just because we were shit for a period of time throughout the history of the club and they are afraid to go back to it again.
We aren't Woolwich or West Ham, we used to take the piss out of Woolwich for celebrating 4th place didn't we? Even those cunts have won a trophy in the last 12 years!
I don't want to follow another club just so I can see them win trophies, first and foremost I support spurs because I have done since I was little, I love the club, through bad and good times but under all of that love is a desire to see this club have success and by success I mean, winning trophies on a consistent basis, I don't want to just see any team win trophies, I want to see spurs win trophies, end of.
I don't expect a trophy every season or even every other season but it's been over a decade since we had silverware, that's simply unacceptable for owners who claim to have ambition and for a club of our size and history.
I am not doubting what the stadium does for our finances, far from it, I am asking, when will we start seeing the benefits of that extra finance in regards to the footballing side of the business? When will that extra finance turn into success on the pitch in the form of trophies and not just success in the form of making more money and expanding the brand so our investment company can make more profit?
You say we were shit 12 years ago, I agree, I don't want us to go back to that period either but 12 years ago we had silverware, so the issue is either the current management that needs replacing or the owners who don't know how to run the club in order to bring it success where it matters.
Now, it remains to be seen what growing our brand will do to the club and if ENIC and Levy have a longer term plan for success on the pitch but we could be sitting here for the next 30 years without a trophy while the "brand" grows.
The reality is, there will always be another club around the corner who will throw money at the problem and outpace a club who is looking over the "longer term" that's why this business model ultimately fails in competitive sports imo.
You don't like it, far enough .... someone has to be part of the 5% .... moan away
Fuck off.
Why would anybody like it?
So let me get this perfectly clear, you like what I have just described?
Let's be 100% clear ... I think it's a magnificent stadium and that you're pretty sad if you can't see that ... is that clear enough?
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That's a great counterargument, good job.
And there we go again, more insults because you have nothing to back your arguments up with, same bullshit play that you and your little gang pull out every single time a criticism pops up.
You care more about the stadium than you do about success on the pitch then? Is that what you're saying?
Let's look at your analogy, particularly this quote "With the extra income the hotel can employ more and better staff, provide more and better facilities, and add some extra special offers ..."
I said, let me know when this happens because currently we aren't seeing any of these benefits, all we have so far is increased prices and daytripping fans who come for the "experience" of the stadium but want to be in a nice cosy environment for the day and don't act like the 12th man and actually support the team.
My mate got moaned at for saying "gutless" after Bayern smashed the 6th goal past us in the CL by some guy in front who was more interested in taking selfies than watching the match and didn't want his 'experience" ruined by someone being pissed off.
Then you sit there and say "You don't like it, fair enough, be part of the 5% and moan away"
I am asking you, what spurs supporter that loves the club would like it?
I don't need to back my argument up you sad whinger ... the billion pound "best stadium in Europe" does it for me ... you don't like it you know what to do, support the club you love from your lounge.
My little gang are the 60,000 fans who turn up every game and the 140,000 more who are members ... who's in your gang you and JT?
Only a very sad, entitled, naive, frankly stupid person would say after just a few months into a 50 year residency - currently we aren't seeing any of these benefits - bet you sit in the car saying "are we there yet, are we there yet" five minutes into a two hour journey ...
I honestly feel sorry for people with your ridiculously entitled mindset ... I want it all and I want it now ... it really is very sad that modern society has sunk so low.
Moan all you like .... but you'll always be just a tiny minority of the fan base and thank goodness for that. Spurs for life through thick and thin, not just for the ninety minutes when we win something.
There is an argument that the game has lost it's soul, if you think that the club is just there for profit, that is both fair but also the entire basis for the Premier League. It's a product that has sold far more than anyone dared to believe when Sky took it and ran with it.
The argument that we've catered for NFL at the expense of spending on making Tottenham Hotspur is crazy though. Let's be fair, how many clubs have groundshared? Watford/West Ham/Palace - they made money in the process, they also did it with other sports too, clubs have let their grounds be used for Rugby in the past and boxing too. Why is NFL somehow a sport where we should be holding our noses up at? Getting an extra income stream to help pay the ground debt and lessen that burden on the club is smart, it is at no detriment to Spurs fans at all and makes use of a ground that is only used for a few hours about 25 times a season a little more frequently and relieves some of the debt the club has to pay.
The argument about ambition, there is no one saying we don't want to win things, no fan is going to actively argue against wanting success. There is no way anyone can say this season has gone well either, but don't conflate this argument with the new ground, the new stadium is ambitious and does reinforce the fact that ENIC have done a good job in building the club to survive and thrive in the long term. On the pitch there are a list of things that are wrong, that is partly down to transfers, the manager, the board and some poor decision making on all sides, the stadium really plays no part in this argument.
There are just a couple of other false arguments that also need to be addressed.
If we had not built the new ground, we'd have won the league by now - no, City would still have wrapped that up, they still had billions of pounds and Pep, we were never going to compete with that level of depth. Also, not so relevant, but having been on a waiting list for over a decade it was high time I got the chance for a season ticket along with a number of fans who'd been waiting patiently, please don't think we didn't need a new ground.
The fact we haven't won any silverware means we're badly run - that's clearly bollocks, the board have set the club up to be sustainable, the new ground is part of that and using the stadium as stick to beat the board is frankly nonsensical. That does not mean they cannot be criticised for other things or that we should all have shrines to Daniel Levy but there are plenty of fans of other clubs who would happily embrace our owners too, there needs to be a measure of self-awareness here.
The argument that we've catered for NFL at the expense of spending on making Tottenham Hotspur is crazy though. Let's be fair, how many clubs have groundshared? Watford/West Ham/Palace - they made money in the process, they also did it with other sports too, clubs have let their grounds be used for Rugby in the past and boxing too. Why is NFL somehow a sport where we should be holding our noses up at? Getting an extra income stream to help pay the ground debt and lessen that burden on the club is smart, it is at no detriment to Spurs fans at all and makes use of a ground that is only used for a few hours about 25 times a season a little more frequently and relieves some of the debt the club has to pay.
The argument about ambition, there is no one saying we don't want to win things, no fan is going to actively argue against wanting success. There is no way anyone can say this season has gone well either, but don't conflate this argument with the new ground, the new stadium is ambitious and does reinforce the fact that ENIC have done a good job in building the club to survive and thrive in the long term. On the pitch there are a list of things that are wrong, that is partly down to transfers, the manager, the board and some poor decision making on all sides, the stadium really plays no part in this argument.
There are just a couple of other false arguments that also need to be addressed.
If we had not built the new ground, we'd have won the league by now - no, City would still have wrapped that up, they still had billions of pounds and Pep, we were never going to compete with that level of depth. Also, not so relevant, but having been on a waiting list for over a decade it was high time I got the chance for a season ticket along with a number of fans who'd been waiting patiently, please don't think we didn't need a new ground.
The fact we haven't won any silverware means we're badly run - that's clearly bollocks, the board have set the club up to be sustainable, the new ground is part of that and using the stadium as stick to beat the board is frankly nonsensical. That does not mean they cannot be criticised for other things or that we should all have shrines to Daniel Levy but there are plenty of fans of other clubs who would happily embrace our owners too, there needs to be a measure of self-awareness here.