Post after post you telling me why I should think we're shit, why only you're criteria for what makes a football club is correct, why only your type of support is valid .... well sorry you can write as many essays as you want it won't change my loyalty one bit ... so please just stop trying.
You may be a great fan, but you're also a pair of whining little bitches, that's just not for me. You can hark back to the "good old days" but don't forget I was there and believe me there were a lot less good days than you might think, but it doesn't matter each to their own
I admit it I don't like whining fans, your mate who abused our players would have got shit from me as well, save that for the internet not in the ground. I might complain about the whining, but if you want to whine that's still your right. Whine all you want you will never change my view, Spurs are a religion not just some fashionable trend, always have been always will be ...
You think the club's failing, I think we're in the best position we've been in for decades ... let's just agree to disagree ...
I am not telling you to think anything, YOU are the one judging others on their support all the time on the forum, I don't think you're a bad supporter and not once have I tried to change your mind on things either (it wouldn't work even if I did because you don't care for others opinions anyway based on the way you approach these discussions.)
You are the one that enters every single thread complaining about other posters opinions, as a matter of fact that's ALL you do on here from what I have seen, calling everyone you disagree with "moaners" "negative" or "entitled" because they don't share views and opinions, you constantly talk about "positivity" but you're constantly negative towards other posters.
I never said we were shit either, that's how you interpret things, me criticising certain areas of the club does not = me thinking the club is shit, again, that's your own insecurities around perceived "negativity" projecting outwards.
You believe that the measure of a real supporter is never being critical of the owners, the players or the management, that's your opinion and you're free to have it, my opinion is that the club always comes above the owners, players and manager and that I think we can improve upon what we have already and could achieve more than what we are currently achieving.
If you disagree, that's fine, I don't think you're a shit supporter, you just view things differently to me.
Not once have I ever said my "type of support" is the only one that is valid, or that my criteria is correct, all I have ever said is that I want us to win trophies and that's what I believe competitive sport is about or it wouldn't exist, that's an opinion, you take it as an insult.
However, YOU spend your entire time on here telling others that they aren't real supporters, that they're "moaners" "melters" telling people to die etc.
It speaks volumes that you view your lack of criticism for any aspect of the club as "loyalty" as if loyalty is the only criteria that makes a good supporter or as if a person criticising something no longer makes them loyal, it's such a tribal and black and white way of viewing things imo.
I can appreciate all the good that the owners, players and managers are doing whilst also seeing room for improvement, does that make me a bad supporter in your eyes?
I don't hark back to the "good old days" either, where are you getting this stuff? I already said the old days were utterly shit compared to now, that doesn't mean I should just be content with failure though, not winning a trophy in 12 years is failure imo, despite all the massive steps forward we have taken, it's still a failure that needs to be addressed and fixed going forward, again, does me thinking that make me a "bad supporter" or just someone who wants the best for his club? The whole "we've never had it so good" mentality as an excuse for stagnation, in my eyes, is just the reverse of the false accusation you are labelling at me about "the good old days."
Your definition of a whining fan is, sorry to say it, completely ridiculous, you think everyone who has ANYTHING critical to say is a "whiner" my mate did not "abuse our players" it was a knee jerk reaction after watching the team he loves give up and roll over, so he shouted "Gutless" after singing the entire game, he was hurting, he was watching the club he LOVES get turned over at home, football is about emotion and passion, he wasn't calling the players cunts or personally disrespecting them, he was being honest about what he was seeing, HONEST ABOUT WHAT HE WAS SEEING.
And even the players admitted they gave up and it wasn't good enough, our manager said the same so what's the fucking difference? Would you have given our players and manager shit for saying the same thing?
Also you say "save the whining for the internet" only you spend your entire time in here moaning about people being negative and saying how it ruins the forum.
Also, admitting that you view spurs as a religion isn't a good thing, that's just an admittance that you refuse to look at things objectively, I love Spurs and it's as big a part of my life as anything but like with anything you love, you always want to see it improve and give it the best tools to do so, sometimes that means you have to be critical of it, some of my best improvements as a person have come from people pointing out my flaws rather than just pandering to my ego.
I don't think we're failing as a business, financially we are stable and we're run well, I think we're failing as a football club because the aim is to win trophies at any club that has ambition, we are regressing and stagnating on the pitch instead of moving forward this season and for the majority of last season (champions league run aside, which like many have said, isn't an indication of progress, it's a knockout cup competition and has papered over a lot of cracks.)
So yes, I think it's reasonable to say we need improvements in that area, don't you? I do agree we are in the best position we have been in for decades but if that's your only argument (considering how shit we were in the past) along with a new stadium for excusing what's currently happening at the club then I personally feel like that's just accepting mediocrity, like I said, I want what's best for the club, what I don't want is to become a Woolwich 2.0 but without the trophies.