i think the initial contact is nothing more than the standard shoulder to shoulder you get from any set piece, but as soon as Lamela feels/sees rodri his arm goes around his neck. Put it this way - did rodri foul lamela? if you think he did then fair enough, if he didn't then you have to look at lamelas actions separately - were his actions a foul? yes imo.
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Agreed he went looking for it,but if we were on the receiving end of that we would be screaming blue murder.Well i would anyway
Me too probably... Fans will be fans innit.
I think VAR should at least allow the more rational fan to get over things a bit quicker when they don't go their way.
Fingers crossed the proverbial 'bad day for the ref' should be eradicated to some degree even if the occasional questionable outcome will inevitably remain.
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Ref AND VAR disagree; so on that basis alone, 100% is a wild assertion.
He has every right to go down, I would expect our players to do exactly the same thing. But 100% agree it wasn't a pen, I'd say the same thing if the situation was reversed. (Not if I was at the game I wouldn't BTW, I'd be screaming for a pen).
VAR has to call the refs decision as a clear and obvious error-Rodri was looking for it but Lamela had his arm round the guys neck and was extremely clumsy-if that was a spurs player I would be livid if it was waved away.
it does, but supposedly they were clamping down on that. we saw a spate of penalties given (last season?) for holding from corners, refs having been given a clear directive on the issue, now it seems to have reverted back to being ok.
it just adds to the inconsistency -head lock someone anywhere else on the pitch and its a foul.
i'd be fuming if it was the other way around.
We all know how these clamp-downs usually pan (or should that be 'fade') out.
Successful deception was meant to attract a retrospective ban too... Yet how many did Salah get last year?
Devils advocate asks, whether you would have retrospectively banned Rodri if the pen was given...
Fair point that.
Fair enough; me too... Seen them not awarded to us too tho'... So we're back to "clear and obvious".
Do the laws still need refining....? Sure, but I suspect we'll never reach the utopia where they don't.
Backing your boy Lamela there I see
But you yourelf just said Rodri went looking for it.... Something that is punishable in it's own right.
Ergo not black and white or 100% (as you prefer to call it).
diving is a whole other can of worms. i guess the problem is, a modicum of contact (salah is quite good at gaining that) gives the diver some sort of plausible deniability. We all know its bollocks but it cannot be proven that the contact was not sufficient. Unless there is literally no contact, players will go unpunished.We all know how these clamp-downs usually pan (or should that be 'fade') out.
Successful deception was meant to attract a retrospective ban too... Yet how many did Salah get last year?
Devils advocate asks, whether you would have retrospectively banned Rodri if the pen was given...
Fair point that.
Fair enough; me too... Seen them not awarded to us too tho'... So we're back to "clear and obvious".
Do the laws still need refining....? Sure, but I suspect we'll never reach the utopia where they don't.
For me if they called it a pen they wouldn't have overturned it as it wouldn't be a clear and obvious error, in the same way that I think they wouldn't have overturned Sissoko's handball in the CL final if that wasn't called.
Should have been reviewed tho'.
VAR or not, the Sissoko thing is not a pen in the EPL this year tho'.