Out of interest, who the fuck are you to tell these good people on here if they are racist or not?? How about they decide for themselves.
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Out of interest, who the fuck are you to tell these good people on here if they are racist or not?? How about they decide for themselves.
I haven't accused anyone on here of racism.
Wrong? No they did the right thing if they felt there was a lack of evidence and it couldn’t be proved.
Maybe he was innocent, I wasn’t there
Fair enough, I just read the article for the first time.
You seem to think that it’s your decision if someone is racist or not. Wind it in a bit.
Not sure, but you description of him is a good un, whateverYou aren't judging him on what he says and does.
Look at this cunt taking the piss out of gays!!!!!!! It's a fucking disgrace, lock him up now.
Or is he performing a nursery rhyme "I'm a little teapot" for kids?
But you aren't giving that guy the benefit of the doubt even though he was cleared that's my point.
I can have an opinion on whether someone is racist or not, just like you or anyone else can.
Or is he just doing a hand puppet, either of those might be true, it's not wrong to judge based on the action that we see, we all do it consciously and subconsciously.You aren't judging him on what he "says and does".
Look at this cunt taking the piss out of gays!!!!!!! It's a fucking disgrace, lock him up now.
Or is he performing a nursery rhyme "I'm a little teapot" for kids?
And the point is we shouldn't. We should reign it in and at least acknowledge that it's not a moving picture, there's no sound.
The thing for me is the media's role, they manipulate. They posted a photograph with a headline and that was it. My failsafe is I ask myself do I want to be manipulated, then ask if I am being manipulated. I try to approach things from this angle then take it from there. Just this approach at least gives me time to look for things whilst everyone else has already made up their minds.
(there are times I deliberately don't allow to do this, there are times I want to be a cunt and a wind up because that's the desired outcome I'm looking for see
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's posts a few pages back. If I want Chelsea to look like a racist club because something has been presented in the press as such I'm posting it, retweeting it, joining in with those pointing the fingers without any evidence other than what's been presented to me in The Sun)No because I personally find it hard to believe that several people would just make up he also said stuff about "gassing the Jews".
However, I was not on the jury, so will not say they made a mistake. They gave a verdict they though just, given the evidence. Thats the law, and thats democratic.
Your comparisons are always flawed.
I have not said that I the guy who threw the banana deserves the benefit of the doubt because he was aquitted in court. Or just because the charges were lowered and the race element taken out.
I made my opinion based on the the actual fact, that the banana skin was'nt thrown until there were six Woolwich players in a group, gloating at the away end causing immense anger. Then on top of that, eye witness accounts, the guys own account, and the police charges being dramatically reduced all strengthen my initial hunch.
You keep comparing different situations and assuming that every opinion has to be identical just because they all involve racism.
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You find it hard to believe but the Jury have cleared him yet you still think he was guilty. Which therefore means that the jury got their decision wrong in your view doesn't matter if you say the jury made a mistake or not.
You keep mentioning the gloating as if that excuses the guy throwing the banana skin, it doesn't. Furthermore just as your opinion doesn't tally with the jury, my opinion doesn't have to tally with the police.
I'm just trying to find some consistency with the way you judge situations and so far I've failed to see any.
I don't mind it actually, it's good that they are so passionate about the NLD. I hope our players do the same when we beat them.
It doesnt mean they got it wrong, it means they made a decision based on the evidence presented. If you have doubts, you cant convict.
I wasnt on the jury....from the small article in the Manchester Evening News, I find it odd that people would make up the racist comments he was supposed to be shouting.
But I wasnt on the Jury. I dont know what evidence came forward in light of that.
I have already said I could be wrong and he could be innocent. I make a judgement on what is presented, but dont use a blanket rule that anyone and everyone accused of racism is guilty.
The gloating was the reason people got angry enough to throw things. It doesnt excuse throwing anything, but it is still the reason. Had they celebrated with their own fans, it wouldnt have happened.
It was also not the case that the guy specifically picked a banana to make a statement. As opposed to hissing gas chamber noises. The banana was just there, and it if was a can of coke, he would have thrown that too.
Your view doesnt have to tally with the police. But its weird that it tallied just fine with the Alves incident, to the point where you used the police decision as some kind of proof of guilt.
You are looking for consistency in how I judge situations. There is a reason you have failed to see any, because every situation you have presented has been different, so Ive judged them differently. Ive judged them by their own specific account.
I dont judge the guy who threw the banana skin on the Alves incident. And I dont judge the Alves incident on 300 Chelsea fans imitating the gas chamber.
In a murder trial, does the prosecution bring ten irrelevant murder cases to the table to show that this guy must have done this one?
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Why would you assume the worst?
On historical grounds.
As has been said, this is the first time (from what I've researched) a banana/skin thrown towards black player/s has been deemed not racist.
When I saw it the Alves incident flashed through my head. Roberto Carlos. Roma. Etc.
True, but that doesn't mean that this individual person was doing it for a racist reason. There's no way we can know that without getting into his head. Maybe not without entering into his unconscious, even. There is no other evidence, that we know of, of him being racist. So you either take his word for it, or you don't.
IMO the fairer course of action, which reflects a more positive view of human beings, is to take his word for it, given what we know. I would hope that if I ever made a stupid mistake, other Spurs supporters would adopt that attitude towards me.