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Again this why I bought up the Alves incident, there is no need for me to explain again you already know.
Right,without being dragged into this...
If some peoples arguments follow than they will have to be given the benefit of the doubt.
In addition to this, it was said the incident was "under investigation". This means they would have viewed CCTV evidence to corroborate this as what no doubt happened, they would have been able to to see a 10yrs old boy eat it, discard it on the floor and then subsequntly seen the fan in question act in a fit of rage (just as other fans did and just as their fans did following Dier goal) pick it up and chuck it at a whole group of Woolwich players.
Well someone sitting next to them might vouch for them about how it was just a funny sounding sneeze and he didnt come to the stadium with the intention of making that sound.
But if we're no longer taking historical significance into account and cannot assume. Then all those around him say it wasn't an antisemitic gesture and he denies it. Exactly what our guy has done, then what?
I mean individuals.
In addition to this, it was said the incident was "under investigation". This means they would have viewed CCTV evidence to corroborate this as what no doubt happened, they would have been able to to see a 10yrs old boy eat it, discard it on the floor and then subsequntly seen the fan in question act in a fit of rage (just as other fans did and just as their fans did following Dier goal) pick it up and chuck it at a whole group of Woolwich players.
Had it been a racist the following some or all would have to have been prevalent:
1. Most likely the banana would have to be his and brought by him with the intent to throw (although not obviously there are mitigations around this and isn't ultimate proof of anything).
2. Highly likely it wouldn't have been consumed/eaten (again not proof of anything). It's absolutely easier to throw when uneaten and if the intent is to single out a black player then this would have been easier to do if it was whole. And finally, we've all seen pictures of actual racist incidents with the use of a banana, in all (at least with my memory) they've all been whole. (Yes this is a very minor point and proves jack shit, I get that but just pointing out some differences).
3. There are fans around him that can also corroborate his story (poster on here and maybe as part of the investigation they spoke with others and maybe the boy/Dad who's banana it was).
4. Had it have been racially motivated he might also have shouted abuse to that effect too?? Or done a monkey chant, or even mimicked those actions too??
5. It's illegal to throw anything onto the field of play, he's being done for that as he should.
6. The Club also need to reevaluate its ban in line with the offence. Had it have been racist, ban the cunt for life, but it's not, so ban him for however long the club would normally do so for chucking an object onto the pitch.
Finally, we all get why the racist reference was made, history has dictated that the association throwing a banana onto a football pitch ensures this. It look bad within that backdrop, it was made to look bad also by uploading a picture showing the black player as the intended target, that feeds the narrative, had the other pictures also have been used (with a group of other players mostly white) then the historical connotations and references might not have triggered racist behaviour.
This situation reminds me of this brilliant advert from a few years ago, it sums up exactly what has just happened, trust me it's well worth watching.
To me its very clear, I'm just saying if we're following the line of people being given the benefit of the doubt then the hissing can be construed as something else, a group just showing disapproval.
See
Nutter-Naylor
's post above.His post is about groups. Groups hissing is obvious. I'm talking about individuals, where it becomes a lot greyer.See
Ah, ok.Fair point....But only if its a one off,and not repeatedly through the match,like what happens in reality.
This is what I mean in my example. Fella does it, gets called out, shits it as he didn't expect to, lies, mates back it, doesn't do it again. Racist gets away with it. But the guy that calls him out looks the pillock, so he'll never be standing up against it again.
Yep, now you are getting it. But it was investigated, not only was he seen doing in a still photograph, he was also viewed in moving pictures, he was also heard by those around him and his intended victim Dwight Yorke chanting Oooo-Oooo noises whilst doing it. He also pleaded guilty as charged, so yeah apart from this he could have been scratching his armpits. (annoyingly the cunt was only banned from football for 5yrs!!).
I think his point is, without the recorded evidence and just a simple confrontation from fellow fans it's easy to get away with by lying about your motives.
