Pochettino has brought the passion back

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Yes with harry we were a joy to watch and it was pretty successfull aswell, but would you rather finish 7th with attacking football or challenge the top 4 with negative defensive football serious question.

It's a good question. It's up there with would you rather win a trophy or qualify for the Champions League.

It's an opinion thing. Attacking football is great but balanced exciting football should be what we strive to achieve every week.

Some will want success so people want top four at any costs. Look at a Chelsea, mind numbingly boring, yet they achieve.
 
Arry is history, an unemployed manager. Why don't you get with the program and back the current manager if you are a true supporter!


Just wondering why are we allowed to pull current players apart but not the manager (unless he's english)?
 
Just wondering why are we allowed to pull current players apart but not the manager (unless he's english)?
He has been at the club 5 minutes and you would like to pull him apart. Pulled yourself away from your UKIP meeting to type that one did you?
 
As for AVB I mean come on, we went from being the most exciting team in the land under Redknapp (and that wasn't just Spurs fans saying that) to being the most boring and we managed it with a change in manager. I have never seen the lane as muted as under AVB, seeing late night EL games where people looked up at the stars in boredom as nothing, literally nothing happened for 90 mins. It was like the recent Burnley game just it was every game.


This is subjective. We scored the 4th most goals that season (66). 27 less than City, 23 less than United, 8 less than Woolwich & just a solitary goal more than Chelsea but in your mind we played the most exciting football in the land? Someone's delusional. I mean we scored the same amount of goals the next season.

We simply played smart, efficient & winning football under AVB and it led to our highest points tally in our PL history. The only reason everyone claims we were more entertaining under Redknapp is because expectations were far lower and we had VDV, Modric & a motivated Ade.
 
Between Feb to now..
Not resting key players
Not rotating and exhausting the first team
Abandoning pressing
Not having a second formation that works
Not playing either of our two strongest line ups
Not having a coherent game plan

I've asked you this before, and you didn't get back, but could you clarify something for me? You clearly want Poch out, but you are also against sacking the manager every year. How can you take this contradictory standpoint?
 
I agree. It's funny though, because I bet 60/70% of fans are fucked off with ENIC/Levy. But I bet 60/70% of fans wouldn't want a rich arab either coming in and buying the best players because "it's buying success".

So what is the answer? Serious question.
erm a rich philanthropist to buy us? looking at some of our recent performances, some would say we are a charity case.
 
Thats exactly what I mean, 'a club of our size'. We have to start realising that, at present, we are NOT a big sized club. We may have the 6th largest income, but that's because of out ticket prices - which have forced a lot of fans & kids away - who, unlike like when I as young, cannot afford to go alone with their mates on a Saturday..er sorry Sunday afternoon ;).
Our cheapest ST is the 2nd most expensive in the EPL, and our most expensive ST is the the 2nd most expensive in the EPL. There are only 4 clubs who charge more for their cheapest match day ticket and we have the 3rd highest priced most expensive match day ticket.
That's how we manage to get to attract the players we do - London also makes us more attractive - as it pays wages and that's why we are still seen as a big club.
If we charged the same as Everton we would not be able to attract the players we do. We also can only spend big when we sell.
Why is it that we should be winning stuff because we are a big club?
I have been going Spurs since 1974 but have never seen us win the league. I have seen us win one European trophy in that time too. I have also seen us win the FA cup 3 times and 2 league cups. All that in 40 years, 6 cups. Thats basically one cup every 6.66 years ( the sign of the beast!)
So, does 1 UEFA cup, 3 FA cups, 2 league cups, no league titles & no European Cup make us a BIG club over those last 40 years? It makes us a fairly good cup team in my eyes.
Unfortunately I was not alive in 1951 or 1961. Fortunately I was around in the 80's which saw us win 3 trophies in 3 seasons, one a 2nd UEFA cup. We also had the best run in the league in my era, finishing 4th, 4th and 8th those 3 seasons and the finishing 3rd in 85.
In fact in the 80's we finished in the top 4 five times in the 7 times we have since I've been going.
I'd say that was our most successful spell in those 40 years, the 80's.
However, it pains me to say, but since then, finishing in the top 4 two times, winning one FA cup and 2 league cups over the last 24 years doesn't warrant the statement ' a club of our size should be winning things"
WHY are we expected to win everything when our haul in nearly a quarter of a century is 3 domestic cups and 2 top 4 finishes?
God, if I was born in 1990 I would only remember seeing us win 2 league cups. So anyone who is 25 or younger would not associate Spurs with winning stuff.


Edit: I am not a troll. Not a goon.
I am a realistic loyal Yid who his done his service, loves his club and hopes to see us improve on and off the pitch.
I am also a realist. However, I believe we have the opportunity to really be a BIG club. Poor leadership/ownership/decision making has seen us left behind.
But....it is coming
Hi DG, I'm not going to get into the 'are we a big club' debate.

However, I think it's fair to say we are the 6th biggest club in the country. Some might say 7th, some might say 5th, but around 6th I think is a fair comment.

You started supporting us in 1974, so in the 26 years between then and ENIC coming in, we won 5 trophies at an average of one trophy per 5.2 years. Under ENIC, given we now can't win a trophy till at the earliest March 2015, our trophy average is one per 15.3 years (and counting...) That's almost three times worse than the average you experienced pre-ENIC.

In my case the divergence is even more startling. I've been supporting Spurs about 55 years. In the first 40 years pre-ENIC we won 13 trophies in 40 years, an average of one per 3.1 years (all figures rounded to the nearest decimal point more or less, apologies for any maths errors). So that's almost 5 times better than what ENIC have managed.

The failure of ENIC is vividly illustrated by both comparisons, but especially for the older supporters such as me.

Now I don't expect ENIC to take us back to the glory days of one trophy every three years, I do expect at least one trophy each decade, and would look to two as reasonable. Even in the much maligned 90s we won two trophies,
 
You clearly want us to sell Kane to the highest bidder to fund the midfield and defence, but dont you thinks its contradictory to sell our best players?
Ha ha, where have I said anything like that? Selling Kane would be a disaster. You are caught in a contradiction, and so you resort to stuff like that. Unbelievable really.
 
Ha ha, where have I said anything like that?

Hmmm, not sure. Maybe find the post where I said I want Poch sacked and we have a deal...Maybe it was this post from January..

A bit of a Poch rant (maybe I should start with I love Poch very very much, and think he's doing a great job, and I want him to stay for a long long time, and I think he is setting us up the right way, The Tottenham Way, and I think we will achieve success under him, possibly even this season which will be two years earlier than I for one expected anything, and I like his ideas and approach)

So.....Im a bit pissed off that after our dreadful striker situation, we finally get to see the best of Kane, he starts to thrive, and grow as a player, banging in the goals, causing havoc and getting on the end of crosses, offering us an arial goal threat too.

So what do we do after a couple months of unearthing this gem, who has shocked most people by his superb ability to play as a lone striker, up top on his own?

We drop him deep, to sit behind two strikers who cant score, and have probably had about 4 shots between them all season. Now the team is all stifled again, with a stop start approach as soon as we get into the final third, and Kane has become anonymous.

I just do not get this.

:paulinhofacepalm:

Or this one...

The point is that Im not bitching about everything.

Im bitching about the things I have a problem with. I dont need to say...
"Pochs subs are bad......BUT I LIKE HIM!!!"
"Poch doesnt have an effective plane b......BUT HIS FITNESS REGIME IS EXCELLENT!!!!"

Get over it. Im talking about his faults. When I talk about his good sides, should I also add something negative to balance it out? Dont be so precious.


See Joe, I "clearly want Poch sacked", you claim....yet if people stop being so offended by my critique, they will see I clearly dont, but Im simply not going to suck his cock like some of you.
 
Hmmm, not sure. Maybe find the post where I said I want Poch sacked and we have a deal...Maybe it was this post from January..



Or this one...




See Joe, I "clearly want Poch sacked", you claim....yet if people stop being so offended by my critique, they will see I clearly dont, but Im simply not going to suck his cock like some of you.
OK, but I asked you where I said I wanted Kane sold.
 
Greavsie, can you remember if anyone else was interested at the time ENIC took over?
I'm afraid I can't, but I'm happy to accept that ENIC were offering the best price/conditions/vision as it seemed to Sugar at the time.

What I do know is that not long afterwards Chelsea had the biggest stroke of luck in their history when Bates sold off to RA. Now it is strongly rumoured and Sven for example has confirmed this to be true, that RA was looking at us as well as Chelsea. (The bespectacled Swede and seemingly prolific lover said IIRC 'go for Chelsea as their squad is better'). Now there are rumours that ENIC didn't take RA seriously, I know not if this is true, but maybe there's another universe not too dissimilar to ours where we end up with all the trophies Chelsea got :))

Certainly for me if there was a chance we could have had RA instead of ENIC that was the missed opportunity of a lifetime, indeed a century or more. And yes, many/most Spurs fans vehemently disagree with me on this:thumbup:

As to who else could have bought Spurs in 2000 or since, I know not. What I strongly suspect though is that ENIC have always asked/would ask for a very stiff premium on what outsiders would probably judge as our 'market value'.

I think we are stuck with ENIC for many a year yet, alas.
 
I actually went to my first game in 1969 at home to Cheslea with my Dad. On his shoulders at the bottom of the shelf by the pitch.
I started going on my own with my pal/s in 1974 when I was 10.
My dad jogged on soon after that and I ain't seen him since. Cunt.
However, thats probably the only thing he did right by me. Otherwise I would probably be a gooner like my mother's side of the family. :)
Hi DG, good to see you're a long-time supporter. So you saw us win trophies in 71, 72, 73 :coys:

Between 1969-2000 (yours and ENIC's starting point respectively) we won 8 trophies in 31 years, an average of a trophy every 3.9 years.

Aren't you somewhat disappointed at ENIC's current ratio of one trophy per 14 years?
 
Mauricio Pochettino admits Tottenham’s involvement in the Europa League has undermined their Premier League campaign this season, and concedes it would be better to concentrate fully on the fight for the top four.

However, Spurs’ head coach says the continental competition is “good for the financial side of the club” and insists he will be aiming to win the final five games.

Pochettino said last season, during his time in charge of Southampton, that “the Europa League is not an attractive competition” and that it “kills you” in the league.

He was forced to be more positive about the tournament when he took charge of Spurs, who had already qualified for Europe, and has hidden his true feelings for most of the campaign.

However, he said today: “It’s true that it’s better to play in the Champions League than the Europa League. The Europa League is not an easy competition, it’s a very tough competition because it affects your domestic league.

“It was always was my opinion at Southampton and you’ve asked me a lot, and I can now confirm it is very difficult to manage the Europa League and the Premier League and both cups.

“Would we be closer to the top four if we hadn’t been in the Europa League? Maybe, it’s possible. You spend a lot of energy when you play in the Europa League, it’s not easy, but you never know.


“You look at the experience last season with Liverpool and now with Manchester United, and I think it’s a clear example that maybe you will have the opportunity to stay closer to reaching the top four if you only have to focus on the Premier League and the cups.”

That echoes the feelings of many Spurs fans, but Spurs may well qualify for the Europa League, whether they want to or not.

The fifth and sixth-placed teams are set to take places in the competition for next season and, if Woolwich win the FA Cup, the seventh-placed team will also enter the Europa League.

But, for Pochettino, all of this is academic as Tottenham will be bidding to win their remaining games and finish as high as possible.

“In football you need to try and take the positive results and always win,” he said. “If you achieve the Europa League it might not be the dream of the club or the supporters but you need to play it because it’s good for the financial side of the club.

“The most important thing is to be ambitious and to understand we need to try and build a strong team for next season, to fight for the top four.

“We need to be clever and analyse things after May 24 and then move quickly to build the team. If we achieve the Europa League or not, we need to move quickly"


What a fucking shitty/defeatist attitude,
 
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