You haven't supported Spurs for very long have you ???
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You haven't supported Spurs for very long have you ???
Chelksi play much better football than we do so I'm not sure why any sane Tottenham fan wouldn't swap positions with them.
That 5-3 game seems to have deceived loads of people into thinking we play entertaining football. Most of our wins this season have been extremely marginal. Barely any difference between the football under AVB (first season) and now except expectations are now lower under Poch.
That 5-3 game seems to have deceived loads of people into thinking we play entertaining football. Most of our wins this season have been extremely marginal. Barely any difference between the football under AVB (first season) and now except expectations are now lower under Poch.
This is subjective. We scored the 4th most goals that season (66). 27 less than City, 23 less than United, 8 less than Woolwich & just a solitary goal more than Chelsea but in your mind we played the most exciting football in the land? Someone's delusional. I mean we scored the same amount of goals the next season.
We simply played smart, efficient & winning football under AVB and it led to our highest points tally in our PL history. The only reason everyone claims we were more entertaining under Redknapp is because expectations were far lower and we had VDV, Modric & a motivated Ade.
No mate...not at all
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-the-Premier-Leagues-great-entertainers.html
"Spurs were unlucky at Stoke the other day, but they are still in with a shout," Ferguson said. "I have been very impressed with the football they have played over the last eight games or so, and they are definitely strong enough to mount a challenge. Going out of the Europa League will help them too.
"You always expect the usual four teams to be in the hunt: ourselves, City, Woolwich and Chelsea; but to my mind Spurs have been the best team to watch recently.
Alex Ferguson
Under Redknapp we had a fucking team under AVB we had a one man team who constantly got us out of jail and before you say they both had Bale he was nowhere near the player he was under Redknapp as he was for AVB.
The Bale of the last 6 months with us was frighteningly good, the Bale under Redknapp was great one game, average the next 3. Why do you think it all went to pot when Bale fucked off.
Notice how he said recently? We were undoubtedly a joy to watch on our day but people constantly pretend we sustained that sort of level over 38 games when it was anything but.
Thats exactly what I mean, 'a club of our size'. We have to start realising that, at present, we are NOT a big sized club. We may have the 6th largest income, but that's because of out ticket prices - which have forced a lot of fans & kids away - who, unlike like when I as young, cannot afford to go alone with their mates on a Saturday..er sorry Sunday afternoon
.Our cheapest ST is the 2nd most expensive in the EPL, and our most expensive ST is the the 2nd most expensive in the EPL. There are only 4 clubs who charge more for their cheapest match day ticket and we have the 3rd highest priced most expensive match day ticket.
That's how we manage to get to attract the players we do - London also makes us more attractive - as it pays wages and that's why we are still seen as a big club.
If we charged the same as Everton we would not be able to attract the players we do. We also can only spend big when we sell.
Why is it that we should be winning stuff because we are a big club?
I have been going Spurs since 1974 but have never seen us win the league. I have seen us win one European trophy in that time too. I have also seen us win the FA cup 3 times and 2 league cups. All that in 40 years, 6 cups. Thats basically one cup every 6.66 years ( the sign of the beast!)
So, does 1 UEFA cup, 3 FA cups, 2 league cups, no league titles & no European Cup make us a BIG club over those last 40 years? It makes us a fairly good cup team in my eyes.
Unfortunately I was not alive in 1951 or 1961. Fortunately I was around in the 80's which saw us win 3 trophies in 3 seasons, one a 2nd UEFA cup. We also had the best run in the league in my era, finishing 4th, 4th and 8th those 3 seasons and the finishing 3rd in 85.
In fact in the 80's we finished in the top 4 five times in the 7 times we have since I've been going.
I'd say that was our most successful spell in those 40 years, the 80's.
However, it pains me to say, but since then, finishing in the top 4 two times, winning one FA cup and 2 league cups over the last 24 years doesn't warrant the statement ' a club of our size should be winning things"
WHY are we expected to win everything when our haul in nearly a quarter of a century is 3 domestic cups and 2 top 4 finishes?
God, if I was born in 1990 I would only remember seeing us win 2 league cups. So anyone who is 25 or younger would not associate Spurs with winning stuff.
Edit: I am not a troll. Not a goon.
I am a realistic loyal Yid who his done his service, loves his club and hopes to see us improve on and off the pitch.
I am also a realist. However, I believe we have the opportunity to really be a BIG club. Poor leadership/ownership/decision making has seen us left behind.
But....it is coming
I've asked you this before, and you didn't get back, but could you clarify something for me? You clearly want Poch out, but you are also against sacking the manager every year. How can you take this contradictory standpoint?
It can be argued that in the early part of the season Poch was new in, some players late back from World Cup, he was experimenting and assessing into the campaign. Then some of the matches we nicked late goals in for (sometimes undeserved/unlikely) points could be deemed as showing character and a testament to increasing fitness levels.
However, even giving some slack and credit as above, I pretty much agree with your summary. The Chelski and Scum games were brilliant highlights but, apart from those it's been mostly average or even quite poor.
That's a miserable viewpoint.
You think Kane is good? But we need better players in other areas...right?
Could you explain something for me. You clearly want us to sell Kane to the highest bidder to fund the midfield and defence, but dont you thinks its contradictory to sell our best players?
Why do want to sell Kane? I dont get it?
There was a reason I didnt get back, Joe. The fact that people want me to want Poch out so they can be more hysterical is not my problem.
Its not for me to explain to you, something you have decided to argue against.
I want Poch to stay, and learn from his mistakes.
I am not convinced he will.
The jury is still hugely out.
I have massive concerns that I didnt before Christmas, which is a worry.
I dont believe chucking another 100M at the team is the answer.
I believe the coach needs to coach outside his comfort zone.
Poch staying for the long haul, IMO in the best interest of THFC, and thats my priority.
Its also conditional whether the club will benefit or not, on whether Poch can grow as a manager or not.
Time will tell. Not sure what evidence there is contrary to that that would suggest he's the right choice right now. All the evidence right now says sideways step.
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erm a rich philanthropist to buy us? looking at some of our recent performances, some would say we are a charity case.
Hi DG, I'm not going to get into the 'are we a big club' debate.Thats exactly what I mean, 'a club of our size'. We have to start realising that, at present, we are NOT a big sized club. We may have the 6th largest income, but that's because of out ticket prices - which have forced a lot of fans & kids away - who, unlike like when I as young, cannot afford to go alone with their mates on a Saturday..er sorry Sunday afternoon
Our cheapest ST is the 2nd most expensive in the EPL, and our most expensive ST is the the 2nd most expensive in the EPL. There are only 4 clubs who charge more for their cheapest match day ticket and we have the 3rd highest priced most expensive match day ticket.
That's how we manage to get to attract the players we do - London also makes us more attractive - as it pays wages and that's why we are still seen as a big club.
If we charged the same as Everton we would not be able to attract the players we do. We also can only spend big when we sell.
Why is it that we should be winning stuff because we are a big club?
I have been going Spurs since 1974 but have never seen us win the league. I have seen us win one European trophy in that time too. I have also seen us win the FA cup 3 times and 2 league cups. All that in 40 years, 6 cups. Thats basically one cup every 6.66 years ( the sign of the beast!)
So, does 1 UEFA cup, 3 FA cups, 2 league cups, no league titles & no European Cup make us a BIG club over those last 40 years? It makes us a fairly good cup team in my eyes.
Unfortunately I was not alive in 1951 or 1961. Fortunately I was around in the 80's which saw us win 3 trophies in 3 seasons, one a 2nd UEFA cup. We also had the best run in the league in my era, finishing 4th, 4th and 8th those 3 seasons and the finishing 3rd in 85.
In fact in the 80's we finished in the top 4 five times in the 7 times we have since I've been going.
I'd say that was our most successful spell in those 40 years, the 80's.
However, it pains me to say, but since then, finishing in the top 4 two times, winning one FA cup and 2 league cups over the last 24 years doesn't warrant the statement ' a club of our size should be winning things"
WHY are we expected to win everything when our haul in nearly a quarter of a century is 3 domestic cups and 2 top 4 finishes?
God, if I was born in 1990 I would only remember seeing us win 2 league cups. So anyone who is 25 or younger would not associate Spurs with winning stuff.
Edit: I am not a troll. Not a goon.
I am a realistic loyal Yid who his done his service, loves his club and hopes to see us improve on and off the pitch.
I am also a realist. However, I believe we have the opportunity to really be a BIG club. Poor leadership/ownership/decision making has seen us left behind.
But....it is coming
However, I think it's fair to say we are the 6th biggest club in the country. Some might say 7th, some might say 5th, but around 6th I think is a fair comment.
You started supporting us in 1974, so in the 26 years between then and ENIC coming in, we won 5 trophies at an average of one trophy per 5.2 years. Under ENIC, given we now can't win a trophy till at the earliest March 2015, our trophy average is one per 15.3 years (and counting...) That's almost three times worse than the average you experienced pre-ENIC.
In my case the divergence is even more startling. I've been supporting Spurs about 55 years. In the first 40 years pre-ENIC we won 13 trophies in 40 years, an average of one per 3.1 years (all figures rounded to the nearest decimal point more or less, apologies for any maths errors). So that's almost 5 times better than what ENIC have managed.
The failure of ENIC is vividly illustrated by both comparisons, but especially for the older supporters such as me.
Now I don't expect ENIC to take us back to the glory days of one trophy every three years, I do expect at least one trophy each decade, and would look to two as reasonable. Even in the much maligned 90s we won two trophies,
Billy, I agree it's harder these days to win trophies for a lot of clubs including us. But as you rightly say our recent trophy haul has been poor. I'd go further and say under ENIC it's been very poor, but I'll settle for 'poor'.
To give an example of how poor it's been, let's look at Liverpool. Now ridiculously, IMHO, some people think Pool aren't much different to us these days, maybe a bit bigger but not much. Now I disagree with that, for me they're way bigger still, and their trophy haul during the ENIC era is sad reading for those who think during that time we've been close to or even equal to Pool.
I make it that Liverpool have won EIGHT times as many trophies as us during the 'ENIC era'. That includes trophies far more prestigious than our solitary League Cup, indeed it includes one of the 'big 2' the CL, as well as the UEFA Cup and FA Cups.
Now Liverpool's income is currently 1.4 times approx our income (last accounts £256m to £181m)
Let's be generous and say Pool's income has averaged out something like twice ours during the ENIC era. So that's twice the income (tops) but eight times the trophies (and infinity times more of the really prestigious trophies). And some many/people think Liverpool have had a lean time of it this century, so how lean a time does that make the ENIC era?
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Ha ha, where have I said anything like that? Selling Kane would be a disaster. You are caught in a contradiction, and so you resort to stuff like that. Unbelievable really.
Hmmm, not sure. Maybe find the post where I said I want Poch sacked and we have a deal...Maybe it was this post from January..
A bit of a Poch rant (maybe I should start with I love Poch very very much, and think he's doing a great job, and I want him to stay for a long long time, and I think he is setting us up the right way, The Tottenham Way, and I think we will achieve success under him, possibly even this season which will be two years earlier than I for one expected anything, and I like his ideas and approach)
So.....Im a bit pissed off that after our dreadful striker situation, we finally get to see the best of Kane, he starts to thrive, and grow as a player, banging in the goals, causing havoc and getting on the end of crosses, offering us an arial goal threat too.
So what do we do after a couple months of unearthing this gem, who has shocked most people by his superb ability to play as a lone striker, up top on his own?
We drop him deep, to sit behind two strikers who cant score, and have probably had about 4 shots between them all season. Now the team is all stifled again, with a stop start approach as soon as we get into the final third, and Kane has become anonymous.
I just do not get this.
Or this one...
See Joe, I "clearly want Poch sacked", you claim....yet if people stop being so offended by my critique, they will see I clearly dont, but Im simply not going to suck his cock like some of you.
OK, but I asked you where I said I wanted Kane sold.
Well said Spurfect, been saying something like this about ENIC for many years now. I wouldn't say they're the worst thing that's happened to us, but boy we could have done sooooo much better.
The same place I said I wanted Poch sacked I guess
Very good. I know where you stand now.