No one is talking about long ball. And I know our strikers are not being used as poachers. Soldado has great movement inside the penalty area when he's actually there. I say let him float around there while our mids dictate the attack. Soldado can score on the scraps that don't get in.
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He deserves a chance in front of Chadli, Lamela, and Eriksen - more so than the current waster mong does (shocking in 6-7 games now) - give him a consecutive run of games in the PL and let's see how he fares with a bit of confidence
Soldado has played alongside, or in front of:
Eriksen
Chadli
Bentaleb
Lennon
Townsend
Ade
Paulinho
Holtby
Dembele
Siggy
Fryers
Walker
Naughton
Rose
Davies
Not enough in the way of supply....must be Lamela
aulinhofacepalm:Also hilarious that people slate Ade as getting too many chances.......but still dont think Kane has earned the spot, and Soldado "deserves it".
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With an average of ten shots per game, only four of which are able to rebound, the statistical possibilities of Soldado scoring off of our current scraps is minute. He, like Ade and Kane, need to do more to bring more chances to the game than feeding off scraps.
Remember when everyone thought Chadli was shit.
Remember how everyone thought Rose was shit.
Remember how everyone thought Paulinho was good.
Different times, different managers, different systems... make players look different.
But when, and in what situation? Last year is its own situation. We can discuss that at length elsewhere. THIS year, with the exception of pre-season and the Limassol match, Roberto has generally not been playing at the same time as our best midfield. Of the extensive list of names you provide, we have 4 fullbacks, 2 guys no longer with the team (Holtby and Siggy), 2 players who have shown they are not big chance creators (Paulinho and Dembele), 2 wingers who are either in sharp decline, or have yet to show an ability to pass to anything other than row Z, a 19-year old, a striker and 3 guys who, as I just mentioned, also were not featuring much last year, but are catching fire this year.Soldado has played alongside, or in front of:
Eriksen
Chadli
Bentaleb
Lennon
Townsend
Ade
Paulinho
Holtby
Dembele
Siggy
Fryers
Walker
Naughton
Rose
Davies
Not enough in the way of supply....must be Lamela
You can arbitrarily write a player off if you like, but your list is comprised of mostly players who don't create scoring chances, and 3 guys who do, but who Soldado has yet to play with extensively. If you don't like a person, fine, but just say that rather than claim he was playing in a system catering to him when he wasn't.
Harry Kane plays a different position to Soldado and Ade so what exactly is your point?
If he ever got his chance with the three mids let's hope he brings more chances.
Always rated Chadli
Always had time for Rose and backed him
Never though much of Paulinho
It is, however, hilarious that you have written of Paulinho as shit, but then you say "Different times, different managers, different systems... make players look different"
Anyone defending Soldado on this premise must do the same for Paulinho, otherwise your views are nothing but nonsense.
Luckily, I can afford myself the luxury of never have seeing anything remotely decent in either during their time here.
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Kane scores goals and shoots. Soldado doesnt.
How many chances did those three create on Sunday?
The fact is, they create for themselves not the strikers. It was Ade providing the assists against Southampton.
People keep saying "he's never played with Chadli, Eriksen and Lamela" but he has played with two of them and was shit.
And if we've never seen it, why are you so sure thats the issue? Will those three stop him missing sitters?
There is a reason he is dropped.
Actually, it was Chadli. Ade had a Key Pass. And, looking at the Opta numbers for that game, Lamela had 3 Key Passes, Eriksen 2 and Chadli 1 for Adebayor's 1 Key Pass. They also took 7 shots to Adebayor's 0. With the exception of a single play, Adebayor was uninvolved, and I think the fault is his, not the other guys.
Actually, Chadli was also regarded as "shit" last year during the AVB section of the season. Funnily enough, also in a system which completely failed to use his talents.
Last year he was frustrating, I'll agree, but this year, in his minutes when he's been on the pitch with Lamela for example, he has scored. Those minutes have been very few. Much like Sherwood's time last year, when he never got a look in. Away at Soton he provided a monster cross to create/assist Adebayor's goal. He then got one other league game, when he scored. Then he was benched again. This would seem to be evidence of lack of use, not lack of quality.
hahaha i see you're in one of your pathetic moods today.
Nice try but i didn't say Paulinho was shit, i merely pointed out that those 3 players are currently thought of in a complete opposite light to how they currently are. Your point is moot. Try again bitch boy.
Don't tell me how to live my life.
Stop insulting, its pathetic.
Thank you for firmly backing up my statment that they create for themselves and not the strikers.
Its funny how Ade not getting passed to is his fault, but Soldado not getting passed to is the midfields. LOL.
Wasnt labelled shit by me. Looked good, even under AVB and Sherwood as did Eriksen. Still no excuse for Soldado looking poor other than he has zero ability to play any other game than wait on the goal line for the ball.
Problem is that the things you listed are the only things he did in any of those games. Not enough all round game from him.
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Its funny that you've chosen today to go super troll because earlier on i was thinking "Sammy is nowhere near as bad as Arcspace"
Im sure you just go into a thread, find the popular consensus and then try to argue against it.
Anyway, the matter at hand. Ive seen Paulinho play in over 50 games now, for us and Brazil. at least 20 of those actually at the ground. Ive seen enough to have made an opinion of him. But that is all irrelevant because my opinion and your opinion isn't what i was talking about. So i don't know why you insist on retorting that you never thought Chadli was shit. I couldn't care less, i didn't either, the proof is in the Chadli thread. Fact is... popular consensus was that Chadli and Rose were shit and Paulinho was great... well skip forward to now and "popular consensus" has changed. Why is that? because people are fickle? Almost undoubtedly. But could it also be because they've turned it around now we play a different way with a different formation? Again... almost undoubtedly.
Yes, it is, because Adebayor is playing with a group of players who create extensive scoring opportunities for other players, Soldado has not, yet, done so. It is the quality of the teammates which is the issue.