Bale Madrid... it's Real!

[Mad Yid]

more madrid cunts whining about Bales price tag, fuckn lowlife scumbags need ta fuck off and buy sumone they can afford

Real Madrid forward Raul is a keen admirer of the PFA player of the year, he feels that Spurs have made him “too expensive”.
“He’s a brilliant player and would bring a lot to Madrid, but his price is too high,” Raul is quoted as saying by Spanish newspaper AS. “Tottenham have overestimated his price.”
He added: “The Real Madrid board is working hard to assemble the best team possible.”

 

[Huxmeister]

more madrid cunts whining about Bales price tag, fuckn lowlife scumbags need ta fuck off and buy sumone they can afford

Real Madrid forward Raul is a keen admirer of the PFA player of the year, he feels that Spurs have made him “too expensive”.
“He’s a brilliant player and would bring a lot to Madrid, but his price is too high,” Raul is quoted as saying by Spanish newspaper AS. “Tottenham have overestimated his price.”
He added: “The Real Madrid board is working hard to assemble the best team possible.”

We don't have anything to worry about. If you were Bale, with a young baby, considered ultimate hero at the Lane, a tasty squad around you with the promise of some more serious signings, would you really go? Know I'd give it one more year. And I bet that's what avb has told him and out of respect that's what he is going to do.

What Levy and Co are doing is keeping schtum until he's allowed all the signings we need to be completed. Saving a few quid here and there.

What else he's doing is quite obvious. Whilst on the speaker phone to Zidane telling him to add another 50mm to their offer, he's not only in his pants smoking a fat Cuban, but he's doing a tiny little wanker hand shake, smiling.

The man is a fucking Don. Just believe.

COYS

 

[Smoked Salmon]

We don't have anything to worry about. If you were Bale, with a young baby, considered ultimate hero at the Lane, a tasty squad around you with the promise of some more serious signings, would you really go?

If someone offered me three times my wages and a chance to play for one of the two biggest clubs in the world then yes, I would give it serious thought.

Imagine you were a TV star and you were offered a lead role alongside, say, Tom Hanks, for a bumper pay package. would you really turn it down? There is a distinct possibility that in such a scenario "giving it one more year" would move past the point of being hot property. What if Bale's form dips and he's not quite as sought after as his is now? He may not get the chance to move again. These are the thoughts that will ultimately go through his mind, and there are plenty of people in the game, and around him, that will also be advancing this idea.

I think, as fans, there is a tendency to delude ourselves into think a deal is unlikely or impossible based on a set of factors. In reality this is not the case. There are arguments both for and against a move and those arguments for the move are not easily dismissible by, above all, the player himself.

I hope the player stays, and have a feeling he may well do. But if that doesn't happen I won't be lashing out and shitting on him as I would perfectly understand the tough decision he has to make and the fact that so far he has not tried to stir the pot at the club (as far as we know).

 

[Big Sky Spur]

Imagine you were a TV star and you were offered a lead role alongside, say, Tom Hanks, for a bumper pay package. would you really turn it down?

Well if I was that Gaius Baltar in "Battlestar Galactica" dude and I got to go to work all day with this lady:

Yeah, I'd pretty much stick with T.V. thanks.

Note: I'm not exactly sure who Tricia Helfer's corollary is at the Lane.

Freund maybe?

 

[TommyD123]

I would personally not object to 75m + Morata + Coentrao if that's on the table

Throw in Isco on loan for a season

 

[dmartins13]

Throw in Isco on loan for a season

I'd rather not develop players for them (at least not knowingly)

 

[Belgian Brownie]

Haven't seen this posted yet (apologies if it has), but this is probably the best article I have seen on the Bale issue

http://assoc-football.com/2013/08/1...-to-sell-bale-or-at-least-why-they-shouldnt/?

It has been largely assumed that Spurs would have to sell Bale and would not be able to resist an 85 million pound offer from Real Madrid. Daniel Levy is now seen as just holding out to get a better deal from Madrid. But when analyzing Spurs past transfer history and the current dynamics of the market, it becomes clear that Spurs are most likely not bluffing. They want to keep Bale and have no intention of selling Bale this summer for anything less than an absurd 100+ million pounds. And Spurs are exactly right in their approach. Bale is worth more to Spurs in 2013-14 than 85 million pounds.

Importantly, this doesn’t mean Bale is worth more than 85 million pounds. Bale is an asset. And just like any property, just because someone offers you a huge amount for your house doesn’t mean it makes sense to sell. Timing matters and the timing doesn’t make sense here.

But what about Spurs spending?
One reason to think Bale is on his way is that Spurs are spending likely drunken sailors – only Manchester City in the EPL has spent more this season. The logic goes that poor Spurs can’t afford this, so they must already be using the money they plan to get for Bale now. But there are reasons to doubt this.

As the transfer history shows, Spurs have money. But until this summer, Spurs haven’t really spent considerably since Harry Redknapp’s first two years. Look at the last 8-9 years of transfer activity:

• 2013-14 (-47 mil euros net): Spurs have spent 69 million euros (Paulinho, Soldaldo, Capoue, Chadli) and sold 22 million
• 2012-13 (-4 mil): Spurs last year spent 72 mil euros and sold 68 million euros
• 2011-12 (+36 mil): (Redknapp’s last season), Spurs spent just 6 mill euros (Scott Parker) and sold 42 million euros.
• 2010-2011 (-23 mil): spent 26 million, and sold just 3 million.
• 09-10 (-9 mil): spent 40 and sold 31.
• 08-09 (-50 mil): This was the year Spurs sold Berbatov and Keane (2 pts, 8 games) and then got Redknapp and had to panic buy in the January window, Spurs spent 140 mill and sold 90 mil
• 07-08 (-72 mil): 94 spent (Bent, Bale), 22 mil sold
• 06-07 (-23 mil): 61 spent (Berbatov), 38 mil sold
• 05-06 (-14 mil): 36 spent, 22 mil sold.

Over the last 8 years (excluding this summer), Spurs have spent an average of 20 million euros more per season than they have sold. But if you don’t count the last two seasons Spurs were spending 30 million euros more per season than selling for the 6 seasons between 2005 and 2011. But the past two seasons Spurs have been a selling club netting 32 million euros. So if Spurs could maintain spending at 30 million per season for the six years prior to 2011-2012 than Tottenham have likely been banking revenue the past two seasons.

This means that not only do Spurs have the 32 million euros they have netted the past two seasons, but likely are capable of spending an additional 60 million from a lack of spending. In other words, Spurs have not spent their transfer allotment the past two years. That would equate to Spurs being able to afford to spend about 90 million euros net. Hence, despite already having a net outflow of 47 million euros this window, Spurs should have about an additional 30-40 million euros more they could spend, given the lack of spending the past two years. This is what makes Tottenham’s bid for Willan and others financially viable. Furthermore, if Spurs plan on selling Bale next season, they can count on likely being in the black in terms of spending, likely making them more willing to push their spending limit.

Lastly, my guess is that part of the agreement in keeping AVB at Spurs (he turned down Real and PSG) is that he will be given the resources to compete. This current rate of spending is probably part of that deal. So Spurs spending could easily be disconnected from any Bale sale.

But still why not sell at 85 million pounds – a Premier League record?
First, Spurs will increase their chances at qualifying for Champions League. With Bale Spurs, while not assured, will be favorites for the Champions League. That’s likely an additional 20 to 40 million pounds in revenue. Without Bale, Spurs have a good shot at CL, but the odds get lowered. So lets assume you don’t sell Bale this year and his value drops to 60 million, just because the amount that Real is willing to pay lessens. You still have likely come out even by keeping him and getting into the CL than by selling.


Second, it is harder to replace Bale now because you don’t have the attraction of CL. Next year, if Spurs make the CL they can actually use the funds to lure current CL quality players. Right now Spurs have to speculate more in the transfer market, as they have to find players that they think will be of that calibre.

Third, you gain global market share by keeping Bale. Bale is the best player in the Premier League and a human highlight reel. There’s a reason why Spurs ranked top in NBC’s chose your club promotion and its Bale. He’s on the Time’s Square billboard for god sakes. In politics this is called “earned media” – ie free publicity. Spurs will never be able to get this sort of free publicity again. This could hugely impact the potential earnings of the club, as new markets, with a growing fan base have thousands of people looking for a team to cheer for, for jersey’s to buy.

Fourth, Spurs actually have a shot at winning the league with Bale. Yes, with Bale (and with AVB and new signings), Spurs can win the title. The top 3 EPL clubs have new managers this season and while Mourinho isn’t exactly “new” he has to reshape the squad and could face a couple hiccups. The winning point totals the past four seasons have been 89, 86, 80, and 86 points. There are reasons to believe that it will be less this year, due to competitive balance and new coaches. Let’s say 82-86 points wins this year. With Bale likely playing as a striker/attacking midfield from the get go and with Soldaldo and other new signings, Spurs will likely improve on the 72 points last year when they had no strikers scoring more than a handful of goals and had a new manager. It is by no means unreasonable to think Spurs could potentially be about 10 points better than they were last year. And at around 82 points they are fully in the title race

 

[Aussie Joe]

How can football , RM justify to the general public, e100,000 when they are all skint, club and government .

Deloitte's financial report for the 2010/11 season places Real Madrid as the sports entity that generates the largest revenue in the world a seventh year running with 479.5 million euros, close to 41 more than the previous year's 438.6 million.

That's how they justify the big fee.

 

[Mr S Pippo]

No chance. No chance at all.

For a start UEFA won't sanction it. The CL keeps them in whores and rolexes and they don't need to change it.

This means that players who play in your super league won't be able to play for their countries. No problem with that here you might think as the PL has made England pretty much an annoyance but consider the likes of Suarez or any other of the superstars that still want to compete for their country with passion and you can see why it's a no brainer. Plus the g18 of the 'super clubs' already have the rules stretched to make them get to the later more lucrative stages of the CL.

Will never happen

I cant agree - Soon these big clubs will want more revenue from CL football. The CL will manifest itself into a a league based system. Its all about creating big games/TV revenue. It will still be called CL but not as we know it Jim!

 

[Tucker]

They tried expanding the league section of the CL before. They had two group stages, it was shit and It went down like a lead balloon.

 

[Mr S Pippo]

They tried expanding the league section of the CL before. They had two group stages, it was shit and It went down like a lead balloon.

The big clubs only want to play the latter stages of the competition where the real money is so this will need to change from a knock out - as they may start the competition form this stage. The early group stages just keep the football fodder in beer money. the likes of RM don't want to travel to Shakhter Karagandy and play on a plastic pitch in september? I could never have imagined CL football as it is, 30 years ago - although we were warned.

 

[tricky]

They tried expanding the league section of the CL before. They had two group stages, it was shit and It went down like a lead balloon.

It was, that won't stop them looking into a european super league. It has been mooted before, and is seen as a way to get more money into the bigger clubs. How it might work in reality is very open to debate, but if you had top 3/4 from eng, spain, germ, top 2/3 from france, russia & italy, plus some other (dutch, beligian, swiss, etc) you wouldn't be far off something more valuable than the CL, the down side being it would take away from the respective national leagues.

 

[Eskimo]

Haven't seen this posted yet (apologies if it has), but this is probably the best article I have seen on the Bale issue

http://assoc-football.com/2013/08/1...-to-sell-bale-or-at-least-why-they-shouldnt/?

It has been largely assumed that Spurs would have to sell Bale and would not be able to resist an 85 million pound offer from Real Madrid. Daniel Levy is now seen as just holding out to get a better deal from Madrid. But when analyzing Spurs past transfer history and the current dynamics of the market, it becomes clear that Spurs are most likely not bluffing. They want to keep Bale and have no intention of selling Bale this summer for anything less than an absurd 100+ million pounds. And Spurs are exactly right in their approach. Bale is worth more to Spurs in 2013-14 than 85 million pounds.

Importantly, this doesn’t mean Bale is worth more than 85 million pounds. Bale is an asset. And just like any property, just because someone offers you a huge amount for your house doesn’t mean it makes sense to sell. Timing matters and the timing doesn’t make sense here.

But what about Spurs spending?
One reason to think Bale is on his way is that Spurs are spending likely drunken sailors – only Manchester City in the EPL has spent more this season. The logic goes that poor Spurs can’t afford this, so they must already be using the money they plan to get for Bale now. But there are reasons to doubt this.

As the transfer history shows, Spurs have money. But until this summer, Spurs haven’t really spent considerably since Harry Redknapp’s first two years. Look at the last 8-9 years of transfer activity:

• 2013-14 (-47 mil euros net): Spurs have spent 69 million euros (Paulinho, Soldaldo, Capoue, Chadli) and sold 22 million
• 2012-13 (-4 mil): Spurs last year spent 72 mil euros and sold 68 million euros
• 2011-12 (+36 mil): (Redknapp’s last season), Spurs spent just 6 mill euros (Scott Parker) and sold 42 million euros.
• 2010-2011 (-23 mil): spent 26 million, and sold just 3 million.
• 09-10 (-9 mil): spent 40 and sold 31.
• 08-09 (-50 mil): This was the year Spurs sold Berbatov and Keane (2 pts, 8 games) and then got Redknapp and had to panic buy in the January window, Spurs spent 140 mill and sold 90 mil
• 07-08 (-72 mil): 94 spent (Bent, Bale), 22 mil sold
• 06-07 (-23 mil): 61 spent (Berbatov), 38 mil sold
• 05-06 (-14 mil): 36 spent, 22 mil sold.

Over the last 8 years (excluding this summer), Spurs have spent an average of 20 million euros more per season than they have sold. But if you don’t count the last two seasons Spurs were spending 30 million euros more per season than selling for the 6 seasons between 2005 and 2011. But the past two seasons Spurs have been a selling club netting 32 million euros. So if Spurs could maintain spending at 30 million per season for the six years prior to 2011-2012 than Tottenham have likely been banking revenue the past two seasons.

This means that not only do Spurs have the 32 million euros they have netted the past two seasons, but likely are capable of spending an additional 60 million from a lack of spending. In other words, Spurs have not spent their transfer allotment the past two years. That would equate to Spurs being able to afford to spend about 90 million euros net. Hence, despite already having a net outflow of 47 million euros this window, Spurs should have about an additional 30-40 million euros more they could spend, given the lack of spending the past two years. This is what makes Tottenham’s bid for Willan and others financially viable. Furthermore, if Spurs plan on selling Bale next season, they can count on likely being in the black in terms of spending, likely making them more willing to push their spending limit.

Lastly, my guess is that part of the agreement in keeping AVB at Spurs (he turned down Real and PSG) is that he will be given the resources to compete. This current rate of spending is probably part of that deal. So Spurs spending could easily be disconnected from any Bale sale.

But still why not sell at 85 million pounds – a Premier League record?
First, Spurs will increase their chances at qualifying for Champions League. With Bale Spurs, while not assured, will be favorites for the Champions League. That’s likely an additional 20 to 40 million pounds in revenue. Without Bale, Spurs have a good shot at CL, but the odds get lowered. So lets assume you don’t sell Bale this year and his value drops to 60 million, just because the amount that Real is willing to pay lessens. You still have likely come out even by keeping him and getting into the CL than by selling.


Second, it is harder to replace Bale now because you don’t have the attraction of CL. Next year, if Spurs make the CL they can actually use the funds to lure current CL quality players. Right now Spurs have to speculate more in the transfer market, as they have to find players that they think will be of that calibre.

Third, you gain global market share by keeping Bale. Bale is the best player in the Premier League and a human highlight reel. There’s a reason why Spurs ranked top in NBC’s chose your club promotion and its Bale. He’s on the Time’s Square billboard for god sakes. In politics this is called “earned media” – ie free publicity. Spurs will never be able to get this sort of free publicity again. This could hugely impact the potential earnings of the club, as new markets, with a growing fan base have thousands of people looking for a team to cheer for, for jersey’s to buy.

Fourth, Spurs actually have a shot at winning the league with Bale. Yes, with Bale (and with AVB and new signings), Spurs can win the title. The top 3 EPL clubs have new managers this season and while Mourinho isn’t exactly “new” he has to reshape the squad and could face a couple hiccups. The winning point totals the past four seasons have been 89, 86, 80, and 86 points. There are reasons to believe that it will be less this year, due to competitive balance and new coaches. Let’s say 82-86 points wins this year. With Bale likely playing as a striker/attacking midfield from the get go and with Soldaldo and other new signings, Spurs will likely improve on the 72 points last year when they had no strikers scoring more than a handful of goals and had a new manager. It is by no means unreasonable to think Spurs could potentially be about 10 points better than they were last year. And at around 82 points they are fully in the title race

Thats spot on, I've thought all along that yes 100m is a lot of money but he's potentially worth a lot more than that to us.

 

[Johnboy40]

No chance. No chance at all.

For a start UEFA won't sanction it. The CL keeps them in whores and rolexes and they don't need to change it.

This means that players who play in your super league won't be able to play for their countries. No problem with that here you might think as the PL has made England pretty much an annoyance but consider the likes of Suarez or any other of the superstars that still want to compete for their country with passion and you can see why it's a no brainer. Plus the g18 of the 'super clubs' already have the rules stretched to make them get to the later more lucrative stages of the CL.

Will never happen

not so sure. Even if it is an entity on it's own, you might well get players prepared to give up on international football for the riches on offer by a eurosuperleague (closed shop, by invitation only.) Play international football for a world cup or 2, hit the euroleague as a 28 yr old superstar with 5-7 years left.

what interests me about is who they will invite. Certain clubs, like real , barca, bayern, man U are a given. I cant see them not having the billionaire's plaything clubs like Monaco and chelsea. Im fairly sure we would miss out. same with the gooners. what about the bindippers? they are obsessed with history already, imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if they dont get an invite

 

[Tucker]

The big clubs only want to play the latter stages of the competition where the real money is so this will need to change from a knock out - as they may start the competition form this stage. The early group stages just keep the football fodder in beer money. the likes of RM don't want to travel to Shakhter Karagandy and play on a plastic pitch in september? I could never have imagined CL football as it is, 30 years ago - although we were warned.

But surely a super league would essentially turn the entire thing into a group stage?

 

[Spanish Spur]

They tried expanding the league section of the CL before. They had two group stages, it was shit and It went down like a lead balloon.

I miss the old straight knock out of the European Cup. Adding a league system to it and rebranding it the champions league was a way to give the biggest clubs a better shot at it. It lacks the romance and excitement though. I also miss the UEFA cup and Cup winners Cup. The Europa League is so shit.

 

[Furball man]

I don't understand why some people are assuming we have to sell Bale to cover our summer spending.

If we look at the clubs income the summer transfer figures don't become quite so massive.

I stole these from someone much more ITK than me (no circles):

Link: http://www.sportingintelligence.com...ng-where-the-money-goes-and-what-next-190601/

The money form 2012-2013 is the same as 2011-2012 according to the article hence why there is no 2012-2013 data.

So, based on the least optimistic scenario we have an extra £30m burning a whole in our pockets and possibly as much as £50m more.

Out net spend over the last 3 years before this transfer window has been minus £11.8m.
Link: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/tottenham-hotspur-transfers.html

Add that to the conservative extra £30m we're gonna earn this year and we have £41.8m

So, as we stand today Uncle Joe would have to stump up a maximum of £16.2m and that's assuming the club don't make that in profit elsewhere.

So, in conclusion, do we need the Bale money to pay for our spending this year? No.
Do we need a massive cash injection from Joe? Maybe, but probably not.

I think Bale is on his way but I don't think our spending can only be fulled by him going.

Disclaimer: I don't have a fucking clue about any of this and just stole all of it from the internet

There has also been a lot of purchase of land so those figures are only showing half of the story

 

[Mister Clark]

There has also been a lot of purchase of land so those figures are only showing half of the story

Yeah I take your point.

By no means do I think figures on their own even mean that much, all they do is illustrate the point that it's not inconceivable we can afford our new signings without selling Bale.

In fact, if our strategy is to buy players based on money we may get from selling Bale then DL in my mind is mental - that is a huge gamble.

 

[dmartins13]

Off the F365 Transfer Blog:

Sky Italia claim Real Madrid are close to agreeing a deal that would see Spurs receive £80m and Fábio Coentrão for Gareth Bale.

 

[ArcspacE]

Paulinho's thoughts on whether he'll leave

I sincerely don't know, but I think this is something more private for Bale, he doesn't tell me anything. But I hope he continues with us, so that he can help us. He is a great player and achieved great stats last season, so I hope he stays with us.