Tellme, when you go to pubsdo you spend your time making sure you are right and everybody else is wrong?Éperons said:
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Anyone got an objection to me posting a response from a football-mad, Jewish, non-Spurs fan? He's the one who really made me rethink my use of 'Yid'.
He is reading the article posted on the front page blog and is going to write a response.
We must remember that, throughout this entire debate, on this and other threads, we have never had the opinion of a Jewish non-Spurs fan.
He is reading the article posted on the front page blog and is going to write a response.
We must remember that, throughout this entire debate, on this and other threads, we have never had the opinion of a Jewish non-Spurs fan.
^ I would be most interested to read that.
He's thick-skinned and welcomes debate. I'll have a word with him about it. He's very erudite and articulate. A great debater.Flav said:
Smoked Salmon said:
Essentially, yes.
I do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not insensitive enough to go round saying it to anyone and everyone, only those that aren't offended, and there are a few. I know lots of Black people who say nigger, I know a few Pakistanis who aren't bothered by the phrase Paki...I know a Jew who doesn't like being called a Yid, but that's only because he's a Gooner! Conversation is easy with these people because there are no taboos in what we say. Though I would never use any of the above terms in a derogatory fashion, we can have a conversation like the one in this thread, without people recoiling in horror at some of the terminology used.
I couldn't possibly sit with Black people who freely use the term nigger but feel I shouldn't say it because I'm not Black. My mate refers to him and his mate as 'all the Pakis', "you should have seen their faces when all the Pakis turned up". Is it wrong when I ask him "are you out with the Pakis tonight?".
People are reclaiming words, making them positives. Words change meaning over time but to achieve this you need to let go of what the words ment.
I'm Jewish and I don't mind people chanting 'yid'. I do it myself. It does sound a bit weird out of football context though.
What's the real problem isn't the word yid it's anti semitism in general. Using the y word shouldn't make it acceptable to be anti semitic.
Before the game against fulham I saw a mate in the pub who is notoriously bad with money, never pays people back. He asked to borrow a tenner and he'd pay me back in the ground so I did. When he got into the ground after me (i like to get there before kick off) I asked for the tenner. He shoved it in my face and said 'fucking jew'.
That kind of thing is not acceptable but it goes on all the time. That's what needs to be stamped out rather than using particular words.
What's the real problem isn't the word yid it's anti semitism in general. Using the y word shouldn't make it acceptable to be anti semitic.
Before the game against fulham I saw a mate in the pub who is notoriously bad with money, never pays people back. He asked to borrow a tenner and he'd pay me back in the ground so I did. When he got into the ground after me (i like to get there before kick off) I asked for the tenner. He shoved it in my face and said 'fucking jew'.
That kind of thing is not acceptable but it goes on all the time. That's what needs to be stamped out rather than using particular words.
BUMP
are they actually serious? accusing us of casual racism when chanting the word 'yid' in a positive manner in a way to identify ourselves which i can pretty much guarantee 99.5% or spurs supporters do not take offence to when they are called the society of BLACK lawyers, i don't see how you can get more discriminative for that. if someone was to start a society of white lawyers, i guarantee you that the whole world would go ape shit
by november 20th no more yid chant or else...?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20229332
"If neither Tottenham FC nor the FA are willing to take a stand then SBL will report the matter to the Metropolitan Police Service for investigation and, if necessary, prosecution. The report will be made if this behaviour does not cease by 20 November. We will have monitors in attendance to observe what occurs."
i do not want to get kicked out the ground so Mr policeman and Mr steward
i am singing
the army
the army
the army
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20229332
"If neither Tottenham FC nor the FA are willing to take a stand then SBL will report the matter to the Metropolitan Police Service for investigation and, if necessary, prosecution. The report will be made if this behaviour does not cease by 20 November. We will have monitors in attendance to observe what occurs."
i do not want to get kicked out the ground so Mr policeman and Mr steward
i am singing
the army
the army
the army
what if you are a jewish spurs fan chanting ''YIDS'', Will they still get done for racism?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/07/tottenham-society-black-lawyers-abuse
Asked about Jewish fans themselves singing the chant, he said: "That's not acceptable either."
So we've got a black lawyer telling a Jew he can't call himself a Yid.
...I think that's the most non-politically correct thing I've ever written.
Even though I voted no, as a jew I find it equally offensive that a Black lawyer tells me I should be offended by the word as a goyim Spurs supporter tells me (or david Baddiel) that I shouldn't be.
I think what I want!
I reckon we should demand that Man Utd stop calling themselves the red devils, as it promotes satanism!