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Guido said:
He was dropped for like 3 games after a poor performance against Palace, he's played in every game since, he's preferred to Danilo. In fact, only Sterling (1 more game), Laporte (5 more games), Bernado Silva (3 more games), Fernandinho (3 games) have played more than him in their entire squad this season, hardly proving the claim he's the poorest players at City!
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Just read what the City fans are saying about him mate......he's average as fuck, and excelled for two of his 8 years with us.
After all these years, you have City fans STILL saying he is brain dead, can lose you game at any minute, is a liability, and crap going forward, and just steams forward with pace and no thought behind it.

Same old Kyle Walker....you cant possibly deny that in his second season there, the same issues that he had here, even at his best, is a mere blip in form. Its Kyle Walker, as a footballer. He peaked with us, will never be better than that, and has seemingly reverted to norm.

Also telling that at international level, Trippier has kept his natural position while Walker has been shuffled into a 3rd CB , simply because he's fast, and there's no one else to play there.

I said at the time he wont be first choice there in a couple of years, and I'll be amazed if they start next season with him there.
 
sammyspurs said:
Just read what the City fans are saying about him mate......he's average as fuck, and excelled for two of his 8 years with us.
After all these years, you have City fans STILL saying he is brain dead, can lose you game at any minute, is a liability, and crap going forward, and just steams forward with pace and no thought behind it.

Same old Kyle Walker....you cant possibly deny that in his second season there, the same issues that he had here, even at his best, is a mere blip in form. Its Kyle Walker, as a footballer. He peaked with us, will never be better than that, and has seemingly reverted to norm.

Also telling that at international level, Trippier has kept his natural position while Walker has been shuffled into a 3rd CB , simply because he's fast, and there's no one else to play there.

I said at the time he wont be first choice there in a couple of years, and I'll be amazed if they start next season with him there.
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Yet his selected almost EVERY week for one of the best teams in World football, 2nd highest selected defender behind Laporte, who I might add gets criticized within the media and by City fans too.

For England, Walker is playing CB in a back three because Tripps can't and more telling because Cahill, Jones can't, Jones Can't. This is why England have moved to a back three:
Southgate: “For me in terms of the way we’d want to play from the back, I think three at the back is a better option. At the moment we turn the ball over too much, and when we do we split the two centre-backs wide open. We were still open in Lithuania with three [at the back], so we will benefit if we don’t keep turning the ball over … But I think the system gives us good stability and it gives us easier solutions for our midfield players as well. Then there is a possibility to switch with what we play in front of it: maybe get two strikers in for certain games, or two midfielders off a forward. Three in midfield and two forwards also becomes an option. But I think three at the back is what we ought to do.

“You have such little time to work with the players that the more clarity they have under pressure, the likelier it is they will know what to fall back on. We felt that, in the qualifying games, 4-2-3-1 gave us a chance to use wide players to exploit the width, and try to break down the packed defences. But we recognised along this journey what we are capable of in certain areas of the pitch. It helps to be able to switch between two systems but, for me, that would both be with three at the back.”

Tripps was excellent during the World Cup, arguably our best player of the Tournament, with the new CB's coming through, all ball playing CB's (John Stones, Michael Keane & Harry Maguire) have all staked a strong claim, with Dunk also on the fringes. The RB slot is a competitive one with Walker, Tripps & Alexander-Arnold and then there is Walker-Peters and Wan-Bissaka pushing behind them.

Walker was trusted to play ahead of all the other specialist CB's, you don't get to do that if you are no good.

In the Vertonghen thread, the discussion has recently been about quality players can play anywhere, why? Because they are quality allows them to do so. They might not be the best in the "other" position but a quality player can play in more than one position. The shitter you are the less likely you are going to play in another position. It's more telling why Tripps wasn't trusted to play CB in England's back three. Ask yourself why Tripps doesn't play LB and Walker-Peters the rookie does. Why stick the rookie on the left (out of position) and not ask the 28yrs old Snr. Pro to play there instead?
 
I genuinely find it odd that anyone could ever rate Trippier higher than Walker. You can't use numbers to say Trippier is better than Walker, only to then defend Sissoko who consistently provides some of the worst numbers in our squad. It's an eye test and Walker is better. We looked our best with prime Walker and Rose in our team than we have with Trippier and one of Davies/Rose. That's an eye test. Just like it is with Sissoko and how important he proves to be when he plays, regardless of numbers.

But everyone has their opinion.

I would hope however that we'd all agree that we need a new right back, or at least give KWP a chance.
 
Not sure why we're obsessing about Walker - he's gone. In my view he's an order of magnitude better that either Aurier or Trippier.

However, he's gone - tripled his wages and will soon have lots of medals. He had a poor spell recently (who doesn't) but now starts all the big games and will be there in the CL this week. He'll be at City for a couple of more years at least.

KWP is the future for us and should be given a run in the team. Aurier should be shipped out at the end of the season. KWP and Trippier to compete for RWB.
 
Guido said:
He was dropped for like 3 games after a poor performance against Palace, he's played in every game since, he's preferred to Danilo. In fact, only Sterling (1 more game), Laporte (5 more games), Bernado Silva (3 more games), Fernandinho (3 games) have played more than him in their entire squad this season, hardly proving the claim he's the poorest players at City!
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Eh?

Number of games played doesn't determine quality. Just means he's in their weakest position. Danilo is also not great.

He is one of the poorest City players. Just ask City fans.
 
Spursdem said:
Lack of other options.

Trippier has made more PL starts than any player bar Kane and Lloris, does that make him not one of our poorest players?
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Of course not but he has options/competition for that position. Danilo (£30m pound player, Brazil's RB) has been available ALL season, he has had other options like Otamendi or even Delph (a CM who's been covering LB/LWB) so why not play Gundogan there (counter-argument to playing Delph who's a left-footer, i think?), seeing Pep has been forced to play Zinchenko at LB?!?

Aurier has had two separate injuries (although concede that Poch would play him more in PL, Aurier is the clearly the preferred choice for CL, why?).
 
Guido said:
Of course not but he has options/competition for that position. Danilo (£30m pound player, Brazil's RB) has been available ALL season, he has had other options like Otamendi or even Delph (a CM who's been covering LB/LWB) so why not play Gundogan there (counter-argument to playing Delph who's a left-footer, i think?), seeing Pep has been forced to play Zinchenko at LB?!?

Aurier has had two separate injuries (although concede that Poch would play him more in PL, Aurier is the clearly the preferred choice for CL, why?).
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Danilo is worse than Walker. Doesn't make Walker not one of the poorest players at City.

Let's make this clearer shall we, poorer footballers than Kyle Walker in capitals...

DANILO
Vincent Kompany
Aymeric Laporte
Benjamin Mendy
John Stones
NICOLAS OTAMENDI
IIkay Gündogan
Kevin De Bruyne
Fabian Delph
Leroy Sané
David Silva
Fernandinho
Riyad Mahrez
Oleksandr Zinchenko
Phil Foden
Raheem Sterling
Bernardo Silva
Sergio Agüero
Gabriel Fernando de Jesus

2 players in the City are squad have worse footballing ability than Kyle Walker imo. Even if you were to add the likes of Foden, Zinchenko and Mendy, that would still put him in the lowest 20%.
 
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Totti said:
I genuinely find it odd that anyone could ever rate Trippier higher than Walker. You can't use numbers to say Trippier is better than Walker, only to then defend Sissoko who consistently provides some of the worst numbers in our squad. It's an eye test and Walker is better. We looked our best with prime Walker and Rose in our team than we have with Trippier and one of Davies/Rose. That's an eye test. Just like it is with Sissoko and how important he proves to be when he plays, regardless of numbers.

But everyone has their opinion.

I would hope however that we'd all agree that we need a new right back, or at least give KWP a chance.
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Put Walker back in this team, we dont improve as a team, and thats just a fact.
We'll have the same issues in defence and be worse off going foward.
 
Totti said:
Not entirely sure I agree.

But opinions are opinions.
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The way I see it is this:
We are the 3rd best team in the PL. Adding nobody else but Kyle Walker to our team would not take us up a level, ie, Champions. In fact, pick any RB in the world, and it wouldnt make us better than 3rd, because its not our main issue.

Keeping Trippier, and replacing say Eriksen with Bale, or Wanyama with Fernandinho would make us champions.

Now I think you would agree with that if you were honest.
 
Totti said:
I genuinely find it odd that anyone could ever rate Trippier higher than Walker. You can't use numbers to say Trippier is better than Walker, only to then defend Sissoko who consistently provides some of the worst numbers in our squad. It's an eye test and Walker is better. We looked our best with prime Walker and Rose in our team than we have with Trippier and one of Davies/Rose. That's an eye test. Just like it is with Sissoko and how important he proves to be when he plays, regardless of numbers.

But everyone has their opinion.

I would hope however that we'd all agree that we need a new right back, or at least give KWP a chance.
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So to paraphrase, when the numbers disagree with our preconceptions or contradict things we want to be true, ignore them?

We looked our best the back end of 16/17 when Trippier came in for Walker, we were smashing teams (inc Woolwich, ManU) pkaying great football, and Trippier surpassed Walker’s chances created, assists, key passes etc in a third of the minutes.

I would say a major reason we looked our best had our best season that year and Trippier pkaying the back end certainly didn’t make us look or perform worse - eye test and actual results and performances- was that we had Wanyama and Dembele in midfield. We were such a balanced side that season. We subsequently have never had a settled midfield since.

Also worth noting that Trippier has also featured in many of our best performances since, like when we smashed Liverpool and beat Real Madrid.

And we have also achieved our highest points tally - this season - without Walker and with Trippier.

Suggests to me the “eye test” is vulnerable to getting a bit of confirmation bias grit in it occasionally.
 
sammyspurs said:
The way I see it is this:
We are the 3rd best team in the PL. Adding nobody else but Kyle Walker to our team would not take us up a level, ie, Champions. In fact, pick any RB in the world, and it wouldnt make us better than 3rd, because its not our main issue.

Keeping Trippier, and replacing say Eriksen with Bale, or Wanyama with Fernandinho would make us champions.

Now I think you would agree with that if you were honest.
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Maybe it won't improve our level. Who knows?

Not sure what Eriksen and Wanyama have to do with me thinking Walker is better than Trippier though.

Your opinion is Trippier is better. My opinion is he isn't.


bus-conductor said:
So to paraphrase, when the numbers disagree with our preconceptions or contradict things we want to be true, ignore them?

We looked our best the back end of 16/17 when Trippier came in for Walker, we were smashing teams (inc Woolwich, ManU) pkaying great football, and Trippier surpassed Walker’s chances created, assists, key passes etc in a third of the minutes.

I would say a major reason we looked our best had our best season that year and Trippier pkaying the back end certainly didn’t make us look or perform worse - eye test and actual results and performances- was that we had Wanyama and Dembele in midfield. We subsequently never had a settled midfield since.

Also worth noting that Trippier has also featured in many of our best performances since, line when we smashed Liverpool and beat Real Madrid.

And we have also achieved our highest points tally - this season - without Walker and with Trippier.

Suggests to me the “eye test” is vulnerable to getting a bit of confirmation bias grit in it occasionally.
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I disagree with when you think we looked our best.

I think we looked best during the beginning of 2017 when we had everyone fit, played 3 at the back and had Walker and Rose as our wing backs. When we smashed Chelsea 2-0 at home and followed that up with a 4-0 win over West Brom which is still the best performance I have seen from a Spurs team in my lifetime.

We will always agree to disagree with our opinions on who's a better player, better suited to our team and who we'd prefer.
 
Totti said:
Not sure what Eriksen and Wanyama have to do with me thinking Walker is better than Trippier though.
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It points out that we could sign one player and win the PL, with Trippier still at RB.....yet he's not good enough?
And Walker is good enough? But adding him as that one player wont take us up the table?

Doesnt cut it really
 
sammyspurs said:
It points out that we could sign one player and win the PL, with Trippier still at RB.....yet he's not good enough?
And Walker is good enough? But adding him as that one player wont take us up the table?

Doesnt cut it really
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Defences win titles. Trippier in anyone defence probably wouldn't.

We could probably just both agree that he's regressed over the year.
 
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