I haven't used it as a stick to beat him with.
Like I said, an agenda.
He attempted 14 passes in the last 48 minutes and completed 12 of them. That's pretty abysmal by any standards
No, you haven’t.
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I haven't used it as a stick to beat him with.
Like I said, an agenda.
He attempted 14 passes in the last 48 minutes and completed 12 of them. That's pretty abysmal by any standards
No, you haven’t.
You feeling OK?
Fucking hell, how many times. I literally said the opposite:
As well as seeing very little of the ball, Sissoko also made zero (0) Tackles and was culpable or partly culpable in most of the dangerous situations Inter had. And as the game wore in we had less and less of the ball, less and less shots, and Inter had more and more.
Exactly. Almost everyone has given Sissoko Motm, not just in spurs forums, but everywhere.But both our CMs saw little of the ball does that maybe not suggest that there job maybe wasn't to receyle possession but instead to give inter very little time on the ball? As stated both the CM duo of Inter had shocking stats doesn't that suggest maybe it was a tight midfield battle that our two came out on top off? Again your picking and choosing stats that suit your agenda and that's the problem with stats you can make the say whatever you want.
All I know and the other 99% of the footballing world know is that Moussa and Winks had a fine game.
Wait...Henry Winter said it? Henry...Winter! THE Henry Winter. You should have said...
But both our CMs saw little of the ball does that maybe not suggest that there job maybe wasn't to receyle possession but instead to give inter very little time on the ball? As stated both the CM duo of Inter had shocking stats doesn't that suggest maybe it was a tight midfield battle that our two came out on top off? Again your picking and choosing stats that suit your agenda and that's the problem with stats you can make the say whatever you want.
All I know and the other 99% of the footballing world know is that Moussa and Winks had a fine game.
Exactly. Almost everyone has given Sissoko Motm, not just in spurs forums, but everywhere.
This guy's obsession with a high number of passes is strange. Most of the time Sissoko would just pass the ball forward and let the front guys do their bit. Why would we not want the likes of Eriksen, Alli and Kane on the ball more? Of course we could have wasted time and played tikitaka and collected a large number of passes but thats not going to get a goal, one which we desperately needed to still be in the comp.
There are games where we had players with passes in the 70s and 80s where we have been destroyed. If opposition presses you midfield effectively, then our CMs have to pass backwards to CBs or sideways to full backs, then they pass the ball to our cms to move it forward again, who fail to do so and send it backwards again and then receive it again and again. This results in very high number of passes. Who gives a shit about high number of passes? Only fucking idiots do. What is the point of celebrating that nonsese over effective passes that result in goalscoring opportunities? Sissoko created goalscoring opportunities while playing mainly behind the front 4. That is more than enough.
I'll admit a lot of this tactical talk is over my head, but surely it's the quality of the passes, not the quantity that wins you the game. You only have to look at the Chelsea game - they had considerably more possession, but we had lots more chances and more importantly, more goals!!!
Yep, could be that.........If they are awarding it because of what they perceive he was great over the entire game, yes.
It could be that many gave it him because of his eye catching role in the goal, or because that and the fact that nobody else stood out either.
Yep, could be that.........
Or, it could be that he actually deserved it and your assessment and analysis is biased and flawed
Yea but you are cherry picking. You are talking about how Sissoko wasnt very useful defensively because whoscored.com told you he had 0 tackles, as if numbers in the tackling stat is the only way one can defend. Sissoko also made 3 interceptions and 2 clearances and 1 blocked shot. It is possible to defend without tackling and waiting for the right moment to intercept or push an opponent into a corner. In fact one of his runs that also resulted in a shooting opportunity was a result of him intercepting from a 50-50 situation and then making that run.Ok, but at least I’m providing some fact based evidence - passing stats, possession, shots, tackles, anecdotal etc - and contextualising that evidence with what I saw to support what I’m saying.
Yea but you are cherry picking. You are talking about how Sissoko wasnt very useful defensively because whoscored.com told you he had 0 tackles, as if numbers in the tackling stat is the only way one can defend. Sissoko also made 3 interceptions and 2 clearances and 1 blocked shot. It is possible to defend without tackling and waiting for the right moment to intercept or push an opponent into a corner. In fact one of his runs that also resulted in a shooting opportunity was a result of him intercepting from a 50-50 situation and then making that run.
None of our CMs except Dembele have a high rate of successful tackles anyway. Winks puts in more tackles than Sissoko but gets 2/3rds of them wrong which can create even bigger problems than backing off. Which leads to the 'dribbled past' stat, possibly a more important stats than the plain old number of tackles. Sissoko gets dribbled past 23% when his tackles fail , Dier 48% , Winks 68%, Dembele as expected only 17%.