Embarrassing.
And against that shower
Furious then watching it and now so thanks for that
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And against that shower
Furious then watching it and now so thanks for that
I see your BAE, and raise you Rose and Walker.
Both were improved by Pochettino, but both are still massively overrated as "footballers" by the world at large, and their stock is only so high because great fullbacks are rarer than goalies. Neither of them is very bright, both have cognitive deficiencies. Good athletes though and Rose gets extra love for being a chippy fucker.
Also agree with
superstaryid
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Totti
about Hudd and Dawson.
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The only players that should be part of our squad these days are Lloris, Vorm, Trippier, Davies, KWP, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Foyth, Dier, Wanyama, Winks, Dembele, Eriksen, Son, Dele & Kane (17 out of the current 25). I personally think the other ones making up the numbers don't add enough pure quality to genuinely add enough impact to warrant being part of a 25 man squad for a team competing in the Champions League & striving for genuine glory domestically. Don't shoot me, just my honest observation after watching the others whilst trying to remove my lilywhite tinted glasses over the last few months/ years
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Overrated ? He was a candidate for underrated. Took loads of abuse/blame when he was a much more useful footballer than Huddlestone.
I fucking love Thudd - he strikes the ball so sexily (doesn't do anything else mind).
That's expectations for you - you know one could do more but playing within themselves.
some people rated Darren Bent as a footballer me I would struggle to rate him as a traffic cone.
Nacer Chadli. Highly talented footballer, never been anywhere near where he should have been.
Somehow started in the World Cup semi-final.
Somehow started in the World Cup semi-final.
Think it wasI see your BAE, and raise you Rose and Walker.
Both were improved by Pochettino, but both are still massively overrated as "footballers" by the world at large, and their stock is only so high because great fullbacks are rarer than goalies. Neither of them is very bright, both have cognitive deficiencies. Good athletes though and Rose gets extra love for being a chippy fucker.
Also agree withGuido 🇺🇦 about Hudd and Dawson.
Totti
regarding Dawson, although I agree completely (lovely bloke but very limited as a player). As for Hudd he was fine when played deep and he wasn't closed down. But one of the reasons for our shitness in those days was you could stop us playing simply by putting a man on Hudd, it wasn't even that hard to do for the oppo, they didn't have to take a man out of their game because Hudd didn't have the athleticism to take that player away from the game in return (by contrast oppo have tried to put someone on Dele and/or Eriksen, now this may have taken them out of the game on occasion but it also has meant they too have sacrificed their own player too, as they will take them out of the game in return), Hudd just stood there like a training cone.Disagree with Walker and Rose, name FB's in the prem today that are better (not allowed to pick Mendy as he's made 8 PL appearances).
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Disagree with Walker and Rose, name FB's in the prem today that are better (not allowed to pick Mendy as he's made 8 PL appearances).
They weren't even the best two at our club. With regards to Rose, I think Davies is pretty meh most weeks, but even he's, at worst, as useful as Rose overall then there's Alonso, Mendy, Robertson, Shaw, Monreal, Cresswell. Who are all better or at worst as good.
And again, Trippier is a better overall package IMO. We could argue about what constitutes "better" but I prefer my footballers to have brains and technique and to have the composure to use those - as long as they are not incredibly slow or cumbersome - more than I value athleticism - even though I appreciate Walker's combination of pace, physique and stamina are what make him a valued RB, I just don't he's that great a "footballer" his reading of the game is not always good, his execution in forward areas is woeful, and his defending is erratic. But his physical attributes do make him viable - the way Sol Campbell's did, despite him not being technically a great footballer.
I'd rather have players like Trippier, Soares, Aspelacueta, Valencia, than watch Walker get up and down brilliantly 50 times a game then trip over the ball and whack it at the first defender every time, and Walker still does some really stupid defensive shit at times, as we saw for City and at the WC.
As I said, just because there isn’t always a lot of high quality competition, doesn’t instantly mean that you’re great.
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Got injured and never the same player when he came back. Shame as before the injury he was starting to look a decent player (by the standards of the rest of the Spurs team which was, lets face it, not very good at that time)
Huddlestone and Dawson are good shouts.
Sandro too, sorry, I mean, "the best defensive midfielder in the world" as he was anointed back circa 2011. Had his uses, but still......
Sandro too, sorry, I mean, "the best defensive midfielder in the world" as he was anointed back circa 2011. Had his uses, but still......
I see your BAE, and raise you Rose and Walker.
Both were improved by Pochettino, but both are still massively overrated as "footballers" by the world at large, and their stock is only so high because great fullbacks are rarer than goalies. Neither of them is very bright, both have cognitive deficiencies. Good athletes though and Rose gets extra love for being a chippy fucker.
Also agree with
The modern fullback must be a great athlete but not necessarily a great defender or all round footballer , people rave about Walkers first season at City but let's be honest how much defending did he actually have to do ? Did well no doubt but still relies on his pace to get him out of trouble in competitive games.
I appreciate the detailed answer but WOW! Robertson, Shaw, Monreal, Cresswell!!!!! You are having a fucking laugh ain't ya? LOL
I said that Mendy doesn't count, he's made EIGHT PL appearances. He's a very good player but to say he's better than Walker and Rose in PL is absolute nonsense, let him play some games so that he can be measured and compared.
I'm a huge fan of Davies, he's been nothing short of fantastic for us, made all the more impressive by not being rotated every week (like Rose was, which enables him to recover and be dynamic for another game), but there is a void to our style when Rose isn't playing. Should Rose be sold? Yes he should, can't have someone like him going so off message (also think his mind not being at Spurs has something to do with a run of shit form) but Spurs are a better side to watch when Rose is LB.
Agree with most of that but from what I've seen Mendy is a sight better than Walker could ever be , more intelligent great end product and does everything else as well or better than Walker.
Yeah, he probably will, but he's had 8 appearances. Let's see if a Ligue 1 star can actually crack the Prem, still waiting for this to happen (and no Kante wasn't a star in Ligue 1 for Caen).
Wasn't even aware Kante ever played for Caen.
Lloris? Hazard? Evra? Essien?