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I get that, and yes it gets all decisions right. But one thing it can’t do is control human emotions.

If used correctly City would of had a pen, they didn’t, therefore the fans blame VAR and not the ref who got that 100% wrong, then he does use it and the last minute goal is “correctly” overturned....it’s a absolute mess.

All we have managed to do so far with this thing is go from refs making a call on was it or wasn’t it, to asking if the ref should he have used it or should he not have used it, but just added delays and confusion into the game.....

Point is we are still questioning refs but just asking a different question.
So instead of 2 bad decisions from the ref, there was only 1 bad one because VAR helped. Halving referee mistakes is an absolute win. And thats based on if the first decision was a mistake.
 
am i the only person that thinks it was a penalty? Watch lamela put his arm round rodris neck as soon as he makes his run. fairly obvious foul imo.

Risky on Erik's part, but IMO Rodri went looking for it and initiates first contact between the two; making it contentious enough for it to be deemed not "clear and obvious" enough for VAR to intervene.... On a moral level at least, absolutely the right outcome too.
 
Way too many pundits jumping on that incident as a penalty. Rodri isn't dragged down, he collapsed to the ground intentionally. Glad it wasn't given as that kind of behaviour shouldn't be rewarded.
He has every right to go down, I would expect our players to do exactly the same thing. But 100% agree it wasn't a pen, I'd say the same thing if the situation was reversed. (Not if I was at the game I wouldn't BTW, I'd be screaming for a pen).
 
Ref AND VAR disagree; so on that basis alone, 100% is a wild assertion.
VAR has to call the refs decision as a clear and obvious error-Rodri was looking for it but Lamela had his arm round the guys neck and was extremely clumsy-if that was a spurs player I would be livid if it was waved away.
 
IF you choose to entertain the notion that Rodri subsequently 'layed down' rather than got dragged down, all that's left is the usual bit of pen box tussling which get's overlooked at corners throughout most games every week.

It woulda been a harsh pen IMO.
it does, but supposedly they were clamping down on that. we saw a spate of penalties given (last season?) for holding from corners, refs having been given a clear directive on the issue, now it seems to have reverted back to being ok.

it just adds to the inconsistency -head lock someone anywhere else on the pitch and its a foul.

i'd be fuming if it was the other way around.
 
VAR has to call the refs decision as a clear and obvious error-Rodri was looking for it but Lamela had his arm round the guys neck and was extremely clumsy-if that was a spurs player I would be livid if it was waved away.

...You're kinda underlining my point.

'Seen them given' is far from "100%"....
 
it does, but supposedly they were clamping down on that. we saw a spate of penalties given (last season?) for holding from corners, refs having been given a clear directive on the issue, now it seems to have reverted back to being ok. It just adds to the inconsistency -

We all know how these clamp-downs usually pan (or should that be 'fade') out.

Successful deception was meant to attract a retrospective ban too... Yet how many did Salah get last year?

Devils advocate asks, whether you would have retrospectively banned Rodri if the pen was given... :allitongue:

head lock someone anywhere else on the pitch and its a foul.

Fair point that.

i'd be fuming if it was the other way around.

Fair enough; me too... Seen them not awarded to us too tho'... So we're back to "clear and obvious".


Do the laws still need refining....? Sure, but I suspect we'll never reach the utopia where they don't.
 
Im not-I have an opinion on it and IMO its 100% a penalty-the ref missed it, he didn't see it and not give it again IMO

But you yourelf just said Rodri went looking for it.... Something that is punishable in it's own right.

Ergo not black and white or 100% (as you prefer to call it).
 
We all know how these clamp-downs usually pan (or should that be 'fade') out.

Successful deception was meant to attract a retrospective ban too... Yet how many did Salah get last year?

Devils advocate asks, whether you would have retrospectively banned Rodri if the pen was given... :allitongue:



Fair point that.



Fair enough; me too... Seen them not awarded to us too tho'... So we're back to "clear and obvious".


Do the laws still need refining....? Sure, but I suspect we'll never reach the utopia where they don't.
diving is a whole other can of worms. i guess the problem is, a modicum of contact (salah is quite good at gaining that) gives the diver some sort of plausible deniability. We all know its bollocks but it cannot be proven that the contact was not sufficient. Unless there is literally no contact, players will go unpunished.
 
am i the only person that thinks it was a penalty? Watch lamela put his arm round rodris neck as soon as he makes his run. fairly obvious foul imo.
For me if they called it a pen they wouldn't have overturned it as it wouldn't be a clear and obvious error, in the same way that I think they wouldn't have overturned Sissoko's handball in the CL final if that wasn't called.
 
For me if they called it a pen they wouldn't have overturned it as it wouldn't be a clear and obvious error, in the same way that I think they wouldn't have overturned Sissoko's handball in the CL final if that wasn't called.

Should have been reviewed tho'.

VAR or not, the Sissoko thing is not a pen in the EPL this year tho'.
 
But you yourelf just said Rodri went looking for it.... Something that is punishable in it's own right.

Ergo not black and white or 100% (as you prefer to call it).
Doesn't matter-he didn't dive over an outstretched leg or fall over for nothing/dive, he got in a tussle and was fouled, I can't understand how people are seeing it differently but you're entitled to your opinion so I'm leaving this here.
 
Should have been reviewed tho'.

VAR or not, the Sissoko thing is not a pen in the EPL this year tho'.
I think it was reviewed, very quickly, and they told the ref 'no penalty'. If you look at the highlights clip I posted (@ 14 secs), the cameras cut to the ref who indicates 'no' and points to his headset.
 
prefer not to get drawn into stats usually but it bodes well that Tanguy is doing some of the basic bits very well. Tackling, retention, forward thinking.... things our midfield lacked a lot last year. Obviously yet to assert himself in matches, but i'm sure that'll come. to put it into perspective. he's made 8 tackles in two games, winks made 20 all last year, sissoko 30 odd.

2 goals/assists... winks and sissoko 1/3 respectively last year.

decent start.
Hard not to get excited about the guy when you put it that way.

I think he’s had a cracking start and can only get better. So far we can only judge him one two games that are at the utmost extremes of the premier league. 1 game where theopposition sat back for the whole game, and 1 where we were sat back under the josh.

It will be interesting to see how his skill set works in games against your Leicester’s, Everton’s and woolwich’s. I reckon that is where he will hit his stride.
 
City fans have well and truly overtaken Utd in the privileged, self important, sore loser stakes.

I presume its down to a massive influx of JCL's jumping on the hype train. But i see plenty of old school blue mooners justifying their position because they "did their time in the trenches".

According to their manager they "dignify the sport" and are "an honest team for the people"


Well i guess that blood money earned gold plated Bugatti owning human rights abusers are still "people" too.

But the "honest" part is a bit of a stretch.
A small nuclear device hidden in Manchester would solve everything.
 
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