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Totti

Chess extraordinaire
Is it possible the substitution of Winks is a planned event to gradually introduce him back into full fitness after his injury problems last season.
Most likely.

He definitely picked up a slight knock against Villa and it was probably the reason he was subbed.

There's no reason or excuse to sub Winks off over Sissoko besides fitness.
 
Is it possible the substitution of Winks is a planned event to gradually introduce him back into full fitness after his injury problems last season.
Doubt it. In both games we were losing matches when he was playing. A more attacking player was subbed in to help us get a goal and a safety first player was taken off.

If we were 3 goals ahead , winks would be left on to keep the clock ticking with his non-risk passes and an attacking player would have been taken off for a more defensive one.
 
Sissoko isn't known for his passing ability. I never said he was better at it than Winks.
If you look at the 3, you're going to pretty much write Sissoko and Ndombele off as passers and think of them as ball winners and dribblers.
Winks is the one you want making the passes out, forwards and quickly.
And as you just pointed out, 17 of 44 passes in a forward direction is just over 1 in 3. That's dismal.
It doesn't take Eriksen being a top player to change that game, it just takes the ball moving faster and in the right direction more often.
I don't think Winks is a bad player, and I don't think he should be benched either.
I just hope Poch is picking up on this and is coaching him to play more passes in the right direction.

Going back to your stats, is there any way to show how far on average the passes were? IE, 5 yards, 10 yards, 20 yards?
I'd like to see how many ambitious passes he made vs safety first passes.
Are you saying that you don't think of Ndombele as a passer? If so you need to actually watch him, that is the best part of his game. Dangerous, forward passes.
 
Most likely.

He definitely picked up a slight knock against Villa and it was probably the reason he was subbed.

There's no reason or excuse to sub Winks off over Sissoko besides fitness.
I agree, but I think Poch sees Sissoko as this tireless cover for his fbs and thus prefers him over Winks. But against city there were multiple times he seemed winded and lacked that drive that won people over last year.
 

Totti

Chess extraordinaire
I agree, but I think Poch sees Sissoko as this tireless cover for his fbs and thus prefers him over Winks. But against city there were multiple times he seemed winded and lacked that drive that won people over last year.
If only Sissoko covered his fullbacks tirelessly at the weekend.
 

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Airfixx

It's all about the badge on the front....
If only Sissoko covered his fullbacks tirelessly at the weekend.
"But against city there were multiple times he seemed winded and lacked that drive that won people over last year. "

:pochserious:

Time becomes a loop, becomes a loop, becomes a loop....
 

Totti

Chess extraordinaire
"But against city there were multiple times he seemed winded and lacked that drive that won people over last year. "

:pochserious:

Time becomes a loop, becomes a loop, becomes a loop....
Ah - for some reason, I thought he was talking about Winks.

Then I agree. We got lazy Sissoko back!
 

Airfixx

It's all about the badge on the front....
Ah - for some reason, I thought he was talking about Winks.

Then I agree. We got lazy Sissoko back!
"Winded" doesn't = lazy.

Just like physically incapable didn't equate to Wanyama being "lazy" when you were critiquing him the last couple of years.
 
It's mind boggling. And any time we do play a system with wideish players, he often puts Sissoko or Eriksen there for some bizarre reason.
I was so confused when this happened against Villa, Sissoko was out wide attacking... Then he proceeded to put in a number of the worst crosses and shots on goal I've seen from him. He looked just as confused in those positions as I was and I wish I could understand why he was there.
 
I was so confused when this happened against Villa, Sissoko was out wide attacking... Then he proceeded to put in a number of the worst crosses and shots on goal I've seen from him. He looked just as confused in those positions as I was and I wish I could understand why he was there.
One of the most painful things about watching Sissoko is how acutely aware he is of his limited technical skills, which results in him taking an age to think about even the most simple things on the football pitch before he executes them. Because of this, putting him out wide where he actually has to do skilful things is an absolute disaster, rather than the middle where he can just use his power to burst past fellas and lay it off.
 

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