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Is Gary Lineker a massive fartfaced prick

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 26.1%

  • Super Yes

    Votes: 18 15.7%

  • Bigger yes than his ears

    Votes: 55 47.8%

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    Votes: 12 10.4%
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RomanzoCriminale said:
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Adolf Hitler


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But I studied history bwaaaahhh
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That's a false quote which was actually from Gregor Strasser, who Hitler murdered (along with any other remotely socialist elements in the party) during the Night of the Long Knives.

What isn't false:

Nazi policies were not remotely socialist. The Nazi Party murdered left wing opposition in drove and suppressed trade unions, whilst working very closely with German businessmen, who often took advantage of anti-semitism in order to enrich themselves.

You are a liar, a fool, and a manipulator. And you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
 
Roger i said:
So, basically you're saying that your claim is fake news.

You know I wasn't asking for identifiable details - I was very careful not to. You're just running scared because you caqn't back up your claim.

So, I ask again - what are the details? (number of individuals and the benefits he/she/they are claiming - this is NOT 'discussing someone's private file' - it's general information that YOU DO NOT HAVE - unless you can prove otherwise)
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Fuck up you cunt and do a simple search on Google, there are plenty of examples and Sky News did a feature on it.

Now fuck up and crawl up your own arse
 
RomanzoCriminale said:
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Adolf Hitler


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But I studied history bwaaaahhh
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Let me get this right... you're basing your entire argument on a quote from Hitler and an article from the Daily Mail??

Fucking hell... I mean, I knew from our previous encounters that you weren't exactly smart, but I had no idea you were this fucking dumb.
 
cretinousgoat said:
The point (both on here and by most historians in general) has been made that although they called themselves socialists…they were anything but.

Honestly you are brain dead if you think quoting Hitler himself proves you right.

So no. No mic drop for you. Just another post to complete your utter humiliation.

I’m legitimately embarrassed for you.

Start a gofundme to put yourself through education again. I’ll contribute.

DM me a link. No need to reply though coz nobody with a brain cares what you have to say.

In fact you may just have won the stupidest post in the history of TFC award.
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Hahaha blocked unblocked by chubby. Quoting the man himself and factually denied, yeah no-one has tried the right ype of socialism.

Honestly you lot are fucking warped. Put me back on ignore doughboy before you gut me, fart on me or whatever.

Doesn't matter to me, I hate the left and right. You think being on the left is a badge of honour..... Forgotten the Blair and Broon years obviously. The state of hospitals in Wales under labour.

That's Education chubby
 
I have to say I'm very impressed by the depth and breadth of knowledge you all have on the Nazi party and 1930s Germany.
 
SpaggyBoy said:
Let me get this right... you're basing your entire argument on a quote from Hitler and an article from the Daily Mail??

Fucking hell... I mean, I knew from our previous encounters that you weren't exactly smart, but I had no idea you were this fucking dumb.
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He's based his argument on a false quote. Hitler didn't say it. A man the SS killed said it. He hasn't bothered to do the most basic fact check before quoting arguably the most evil man in human history, just because he's so eager to try and make some disgusting political point.

It's vile & wrong. And a new low for this place that someone feels comfortable doing it in this space.
 
RomanzoCriminale said:
Hahaha blocked unblocked by chubby. Quoting the man himself and factually denied, yeah no-one has tried the right ype of socialism.

Honestly you lot are fucking warped. Put me back on ignore doughboy before you gut me, fart on me or whatever.

Doesn't matter to me, I hate the left and right. You think being on the left is a badge of honour..... Forgotten the Blair and Broon years obviously. The state of hospitals in Wales under labour.

That's Education chubby
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You didn’t need a capital E for education in that last bit.

It looks like history isn’t the only subject you need to go study.

Only my mates can call me chubby. I am Mr Chubby to you.
 
Skooch said:
Which strangely enough you know i can't give as it would be discussing someone's private file.

But then you knew that. Why don't you phone up your loval UC payments office and ask them for all the details of the benefits everyone gets. I'm sure they'd be able to help. Then, if you want more info, why not phone doctors and ask what illnesses people have and whether they get benefits or not.

And you'd also enjoy the lump sum payments that get doled out.

Or perhaps I've struck a nerve and your worried about being caught.

Either way, if it's down to your opinion, or facts from someone who has worked in DLA, PIP and now UC, guess which one I'll trust.
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No one is asking for names just a simple breakdown of payments that tally up to £70k.
 
  • Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one's fellow man's sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.
    • "Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Speech also known as "Why Are We Anti-Semites?" Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [1]
  • Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism... How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!
    • "Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [2]
  • Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.
    • "Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [3]

1921​

  • Everyone was at one time a Social Democrat.
    • As quoted in Hitler: Sämtliche Aufzeichnungen 1905-1924, Eberhard Jäckel and Axel Kuhn, (editors) Stuttgart: Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, 1980, p. 448 (quote from 1921)

1922​

  • The Jews have shown real genius in profiting by politics. This capitalistic people, which was brought into existence by the unscrupulous exploitation of men, has understood how to get the leadership of the Fourth Estate into its own hands; and by acting both on the Right and on the Left it has its apostles in both camps. On the Right the Jew does his best to encourage all the evils there are to such an extent that the man of the people, poor devil, will be exasperated as much as possible— greed of money, unscrupulousness, hard- heartedness, abominable snobbishness. More and more Jews have wormed their way into our upper-class families; and the consequence has been that the ruling class has been alienated from its own people.
    • As quoted in A History of National Socialism, Konrad Heiden, Methuen & Company, LTD, London: UK, 1934, p. 58. Speech in April, 1922
  • There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan, or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.
    ..
    And if we ask who was responsible for our misfortune, then we must inquire who profited by our collapse. And the answer to that question is that 'Banks and Stock Exchanges are more flourishing than ever before.' We were told that capitalism would be destroyed, and when we ventured to remind one or the other of these famous statesmen and said 'Don't forget that Jews too have capital,' then the answer was: 'What are you worrying about? Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free.' ... It is only the international Stock Exchange and loan- capital, the so-called 'supra-state capital,' which has profited from the collapse of our economic life, the capital which receives its character from the single supra-state nation which is itself national to the core, which fancies itself to be above all other nations, which places itself above other nations and which already rules over them. The international Stock Exchange capital would be unthinkable, it would never have come, without its founders the supra-national, because intensely national, Jews.
    ..
    We must on principle free ourselves from any class standpoint.
    ..
    'NATIONAL' AND 'SOCIAL' ARE TWO IDENTICAL CONCEPTIONS. It was only the Jew who succeeded, through falsifying the social idea and turning it into Marxism, not only in divorcing the social idea from the national, but in actually representing them as utterly contradictory.
    ..
    I am perhaps more capable than anyone else of understanding and realizing the nature and the whole life of the various German castes.
    ..
    THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS CLASSES: THEY CANNOT BE. Class means caste and caste means race. If there are castes in India, well and good; there it is possible, for there there were formerly Aryans and dark aborigines. So it was in Egypt and in Rome. But with us in Germany where everyone who is a German at all has the same blood, has the same eyes, and speaks the same language, here there can be no class, here there can be only a single people and beyond that nothing else.
    ..
    At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it "National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it.
  • Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows—at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example—as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.

1923​

  • The Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of St Germain are kept alive by Bolshevism in Germany. The Peace Treaty and Bolshevism are two heads of one monster. We must decapitate both.
    ..
    In my scheme of the German state, there will be no room for the alien, no use for the wastrel, for the usurer or speculator, or anyone incapable of productive work.
    ..
    Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.
  • Wenn deine Mutter alt geworden,
    und älter du geworden bist,
    wenn ihr, was früher leicht und mühlos,
    nunmehr zur Last geworden ist,
    wenn ihre lieben, treuen Augen,
    nicht mehr wie einst ins Leben seh'n,
    wenn ihre Füße, kraftgebrochen,
    sie nicht mehr tragen woll'n mein Geh'n,
    dann reich ihr deinen Arm zur Stütze,
    geleite sie mit froher Lust,
    die Stunde kommt, da du sie weinend
    zum letzten Gang begleiten musst.
    Und fragt sie dich, so gib ihr Antwort,
    und fragt sie wieder, - sprich auch du,
    und fragt sie nochmals, - steh' ihr Rede,
    nicht ungestüm, in sanfter Ruh!
    Und kann sie dich nicht recht verstehen,
    erklär ihr alles frohbewegt,
    die Stunde kommt, die bitt're Stunde,
    da dich ihr Mund nach nichts mehr frägt.
    • When your mother has grown old
      and with her so have you,
      When that which once came easy
      has at last become a burden,
      When her loving, true eyes
      no longer see life as once they did
      When her weary feet
      no longer want to wear her as she stands,
      then reach an arm to her shoulder,
      escort her gently, with happiness and passion
      The hour will come, when you, crying,
      must take her on her final walk.
      And if she asks you, then give her an answer
      And if she asks you again, listen!
      And if she asks you again, take in her words
      not impetuously, but gently and in peace!
      And if she cannot quite understand you,
      explain all to her gladly
      For the hour will come, the bitter hour
      when her mouth will ask for nothing more.
    • Adolf Hitler, "Denk' es!" (Be Reminded!) 1923, first published in Sonntag-Morgenpost (14 May 1933).

1924​

1926​

  • If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle [race], if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.
    • Mein Kampf, Volume 2, Chapter IV, "Personality and the Ideal of the People's State," Trans. Marco Roberto, MVR, 2015, p. 33, first published 1926
  • t is absolutely wrong to infer any ideal sense of sacrifice in the Jews from the fact that they stand together in struggle, or, better expressed, in the plundering of their fellow men.
    [*]As long as the Jew has not succeeded in mastering other peoples he is forced to speak their language whether he likes it or not. But the moment that the world would become the slave of the Jew it would have to learn some other language so that by this means the Jew could dominate all the more easily.
    • Mein Kampf, Chapter "Nation and Race"
    [*]Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time..
    • Mein Kampf, Chapter "The World War"

1927​

  • We reject the political aims of the industrialists.
    • Speech at the May 1927 NSDAP provincial congress in Stuttgart, quoted in Dietrich Orlow, The Nazi Party 1919-1945: A Complete History, Enigma Books (2010), p. 61

1928​

  • I believe that I have enough energy to lead our people whither it must shed its blood [zum blutigen Einsatz], not for an adjustment of its boundaries, but to save it into the most distant future by securing so much land and space that the future will receive back many times the blood shed.
    • Speech (23 May 1928), quoted in Gerhard L. Weinberg, 'The world through Hitler's eyes', in Germany, Hitler, and World War II: Essays in Modern German and World History (Cambridge University Press, 1996), p. 51

Zweites Buch (1928)​

Online at the Internet Archive
  • I am a German nationalist. This means that I proclaim my nationality. My whole thought and action belongs to it. I am a socialist. I see no class and no social estate before me, but that community of the Folk, made up of people who are linked by blood, united by a language, and subject to a same general fate. I love this Folk and hate only its majority of the moment, because I view the latter to be just as little representative of the greatness of my Folk as it is of its happiness.
  • The National Socialist Movement, on the contrary, will always let its foreign policy be determined by the necessity to secure the space necessary to the life of our Folk. It knows no Germanising or Teutonising, as in the case of the national bourgeoisie, but only the spread of its own Folk. It will never see in the subjugated, so called Germanised, Czechs or Poles a national, let alone Folkish, strengthening, but only the racial weakening of our Folk.
  • The Folkish State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must without further ado remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades.
  • Jewry is a Folk with a racial core that is not wholly unitary. Nevertheless, as a Folk, it has special intrinsic characteristics which separate it from all other Folks living on the globe. Jewry is not a religious community, but the religious bond between Jews; rather is in reality the momentary governmental system of the Jewish Folk. The Jew has never had a territorially bounded State of his own in the manner of Aryan States. Nevertheless, his religious community is a real State, since it guarantees the preservation, the increase and the future of the Jewish Folk. But this is solely the task of the State. That the Jewish State is subject to no territorial limitation, as is the case with Aryan States, is connected with the character of the Jewish Folk, which is lacking in the productive forces for the construction and preservation of its own territorial State.
  • Because of the lack of productive capacities of its own, the Jewish Folk cannot carry out the construction of a State, viewed in a territorial sense, but as a support of its own existence it needs the work and creative activities of other nations. Thus the existence of the Jew himself becomes a parasitical one within the lives of other Folks. Hence the ultimate goal of the Jewish struggle for existence is the enslavement of productively active Folks. In order to achieve this goal, which in reality has represented Jewry's struggle for existence at all times, the Jew makes use of all weapons that are in keeping with the whole complex of his character. Therefore in domestic politics within the individual nations he fights first for equal rights and later for superior rights. The characteristics of cunning, intelligence, astuteness, knavery, dissimulation, and so on, rooted in the character of his Folkdom, serve him as weapons thereto. They are as much stratagems in his war of survival as those of other Folks in combat. In foreign policy, he tries to bring nations into a state of unrest, to divert them from their true interests, and to plunge them into reciprocal wars, and in this way gradually rise to mastery over them with the help of the power of money and propaganda. His ultimate goal is the denationalisation, the promiscuous bastardisation of other Folks, the lowering of the racial levy of the highest Folks, as well as the domination of this racial mishmash through the extirpation of the Folkish intelligentsia and its replacement by the members of his own Folk.
  • National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.
    • Interview by Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt (January 27, 1934), quoted in David Schoenbaum, Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi Germany, 1933–1939 (New York: NY, W. W. Norton & Company, 1997), p. 57
  • If we want a strong Germany, you must one day be strong, too. If we want a powerful Germany, you, too, must one day be powerful. If we want an honorable Germany, you must one day uphold this honor. If we want order in Germany, you must maintain this order. If we want to once again create a loyal Germany, you yourselves must learn to be loyal. You are the Germany of the future, and thus we want you to be what this Germany of the future must and will be.
  • The hammer will once more become the symbol of the German worker and the sickle the sign of the German peasant,...
  • We have a great aim before us; a mighty work of reform of ourselves and our lives, of our life in common, of our economy, of our culture. This work does not disturb the rest of the world. We have enough to do in our own house.
    • Speech in Gera (17 June 1934), quoted in The Times (26 September 1939), p. 9
  • Mutinies are crushed in accordance with eternal and unchanging iron laws.
    • Speech in the Reichstag (13 July 1934) on the Night of the Long Knives, quoted in Stephen H. Roberts, The House That Hitler Built (1945), p. 115
  • Es wird stets nur ein Teil eines Volkes aus wirklich aktiven Kämpfern bestehen, und von ihnen wird mehr gefordert, als von den Millionen der übrigen Volksgenossen. Für sie genügt nicht die blosse Ablegung des Bekenntnisses: «Ich glaube»; sondern der Schwur: «Ich kämpfe!»
    • It shall always be only a fraction of the people who stand out as truly active fighters, and more is expected from them than from the millions of their fellow countrymen. For them, the mere pledge of "I believe" is not enough, but rather the oath: "I fight!"
      • Speech from the Sixth Nazi Party Congress, Nuremberg (September 8th, 1934) [5].
        Video footage of this quotation can be found in the film Triumph of the Will
 
  • The Germany of today is a National Socialist State. The ideology that dominates us is in diametrical contradiction to that of Soviet Russia. National Socialism is a doctrine that has reference exclusively to the German people. Bolshevism lays stress on international mission. We National Socialists believe a man can, in the long run, be happy only among his own people. We are convinced the happiness and achievements of Europe are indissolubly tied up with the continuation of the system of independent and free national States. Bolshevism preaches the establishment of a world empire and recognizes only section of a central international. We National Socialists grant each people the right to its own inner life according to its needs and its own nature. Bolshevism, on the other hand, establishes doctrinal theories that are to be accepted by all peoples, regardless of their particular essence, their special nature, traditions, etc. National Socialism speaks up for the solution of social problems, issues and tensions in their own nation, with methods that are consistent with our common human, spiritual, cultural and economic beliefs, traditions and conditions. Bolshevism preaches the international class struggle, the international world revolution with the weapons of the terror and the violence. National Socialism fights for the reconciliation and consequent adjustment of the differences in life and the union of all for common benefits. Bolshevism teaches the overcoming of an alleged class rule by the dictatorship of the power of a different class. National Socialism does not attach importance to a only theoretical rule of the working class, but especially on the practical improvement of their living conditions and standard of living. Bolshevism fights for a theory and, for it, sacrifices millions of people, immense values of traditional culture and traditions, and achieves, compared with us, only a very low standard of living for all. As National Socialists, our hearts are full with admiration and respect for the great achievements of the past, not only in our own people but also far beyond. We are happy to belong to an European cultural community that has so tremendously embossed today's world with a stamp of its mind. Bolshevism rejects this cultural achievement of mankind, claiming that has found the beginning of the real cultural and human history in the year of birth of Marxism. We, National Socialists, do not want to be of the same opinion as our church organizations in this or that organizational question. But we never want a lack of belief in religion or any faith, and do not wish that our churches become club-houses or cinemas. Bolshevism teaches the godlessness and acts accordingly. We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility. It has not been able to save millions of human beings from starvation in Russia, the greatest Agrarian State in the world. It would be unthinkable to transfer such a catastrophe into Germany, because, at the end of the day, in Russia there are 10 city dwellers for every 90 country dwellers, but in Germany for only 25 farmers there are 75 city dwellers. National Socialists and Bolshevists both are convinced they are a world apart from each other and their differences can never be bridged. Apart from that, there were thousands of our people slain and maimed in the fight against Bolshevism. If Russia likes Bolshevism it is not our affair, but if Bolshevism casts its nets over to Germany, then we will fight it tooth and nail.
 
  • The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute therefore the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood.
  • Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialismwhich is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid.
  • And numerous people whose families belong to the peasantry and working classes are now filling prominent positions in this National Socialist State. Some of them actually hold the highest offices in the leadership of the nation, as Cabinet Ministers, Reichsstatthalter and Gauleiter. But National Socialism always bears in mind the interests of the people as a whole and not the interests of one class or another. The National Socialist Revolution has not aimed at turning a privileged class into a class which will have no rights in the future. Its aim has been to grant equal rights to those social strata that hitherto were denied such rights.
 
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