SuperJanFan
Its very obvious that you want to keep Bale, but my opinions on selling dont deserved to be neg repped at every post.
I get it. You disagree.
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Suggest you check again Sammy, you'll see I didn't neg rep every post. Far from it. I only neg rep'd 2 out of 9 (or maybe it's ten, I lost count) of your posts on the last three pages (no posts in pages 4 and 5). So stop getting your nickers in a twist over nothing and imagining there's some kind of attack on you!
You know the "disagree" or "dislike" buttons are just that - you click it if you disagree or dislike the post and don't want to write a whole post explaining why (or even if you do, I guess). But as you seem to be upset about it and have gained the wrong impression that it's personal or something, let me explain why I disagreed with those posts:
Cant believe anyone would give a toss if we got 85-105M for him. Sell NOW.
THFC is bigger than Bale
I clicked "dislike" on this one. I might have clicked disagree but I agreed with your second sentence. Regarding the first comment, of course we should give a toss about losing our best player. You know, I care far more about having a good player to watch than anything else; watching the things that Bale can do is thoroughly entertaining, and even if we replaced him with four good players and that improved us overall (which isn't straight forward - I will get to that in a minute) chances are that we woudn't be so entertained.
Getting even £85-£105M for him (which at least some of, if not all, are guesses from the press on his value, given the range of figures we're being fed) is just money. I am a football fan, not a money fan. If I was a money fan, I'd collect coins or some shit. Now money is useful for buying other players, granted, but now we are drifting into your next post that I neg rep'd.
That money will allow us to be a better team without Bale, than with Bale.
So, if spent wisely we can become a club that players want to come to instead of the eternal stepping stone..
I clicked "disagree". Guess why. I don't agree that the money will allow us to be a better team without him. Here is a breakdown as to why:
1. We already have money, so I don't believe money is a big issue right this minute.
2. Chances are that 100% of that money will not go to new transfers. Some of it will likely go on the new stadium or other projects.
3. Chances are that we won't see all that money up front. So, lets say we get a third of it each season for three years, and we assume a fee somewhere in the middle, say £93M, that means £31M a summer. What will we spend that £31M on then that will make us a BETTER team than with Bale? Well, we coudl spend all of it on a single player, but like for like we wont be better as a team, clearly, so lets say two players costing around £15M each. Will this make us a better team? I don't think so.
4. We already have some very good players in almost all positions. To buy an upgrade isn't easy because there aren't that many better players out there really. The ones that are out there command large fees (which we could cover) but also large wages (which we probably could not) and are picked up by the largest clubs (this brings me to my next point)
5. We are currently a Europa league team. We can sell the ambition to be a CL team, and indeed, I'm sure we are doing that, but our competitors can sell the fact that they are already a CL team. So it is not easy to attract these players to your club over the competition. With the team we have right now, including Bale, there is good reason to predict a CL place next season, and with that comes the ability to attract these player upgrades that would make us a better team.
6. We could use a summer where we don't sell our best player. It affects the whole team and lessens our chances of CL next year which is worth loads of cash in itself.
7. Now this point, doesn't strictly answer your post above, but its part of the general picture, and part of why I think it makes most sense to keep him. Overall, in the last four seasons, Bale has improved. You can see improving game by game in periods and this has generated interest from Real to pay a record breaking fee. We can conclude then, that Bale is not a one season wonder, but will likely continue to improve. So, in addition to all the points above, it makes most sense to keep him for at least another season as he will improve further and actually go up in value further.
I didn't neg rep your net post #1085, even though I disagreed with it, as I had neg rep'd your previous post and didn't want to be excessive. But for the record, I didn't agree with that either, for all the reasons above, and because you said Bale isn't even close to being the best player in the world. Well, he isn't as good as Messi or Ronaldo (yet, and maybe never) but he is arguably third in the world, and if not third, then certainly very near the top, else he wouldn't be being talked about for a record breaking fee, so your comment makes no sense to me.
I agree with some of your post #1093 but not all of it. But, I didnt neg rep it. I don't agree that there is any evidence that he's had his head turned for instance. Just paper talk.
In a later post (#1103 - which again, I didn't neg rep) you show that you completely believe the press hype. Apparently our best player, who has never said anything against us, is now a mercenary, who lies to us, refuses to play and demands showdown talks. What I do dislike about fans of any club is that they say stuff like this about players before there is any evidence to back it up. A newspaper article written by a jerk is not evidence. In the following post, #1106 you cite Berbatov and Modric as examples, but those situations were different, as both made it clear (factually) that they wanted to go, if my memory serves me correctly.
So, in summary, I disliked one post out of 9 or 10 of yours, and disagreed with another...
