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Unfortunately, it still hurts when we lose. In some ways, even more so when we’re playing well and doing proper Spursy things (I’m reclaiming Spursy to mean playing attractive, attacking football - deal with it).

Some fans are fickle, always been that way, but I get the sense most on here are willing to wait and are enjoying the season. Ange isn’t perfect and he will make mistakes sometimes, but he is absolutely the right manager for this club, because he’s committed to playing the football that we are meant to play.
 
I mean yes the club being in serious danger of getting 2 points from 6 matches even with the injury crisis is a big deal.

I don’t know why people are so resistant to the idea that this could happen to us. City are brilliant, West Ham are incredibly decisive on the counter, Moyes will have them up for the London derby and while Newcastle are also suffering an injury crisis they just beat Woolwich and thumped the Chavs.

This is the type of stretch that torpedoes a season. Obviously I hope it doesn’t happen but it’s a much more realistic possibility than people think. Wolves and Villa were very winnable matches and we really needed to get a result in one of them.

....Yet your pre-match rhetoric would have been "We're screwed".

Like it has been at every slight bump or potential challenge since the season started(*).

People aren't blind to the challenges we've faced in recent weeks; nor those that lie ahead..... They're just not inclined to take fatalistic, prophecies of doom from someone seriously when those projections are incessant.

Think of it as the 'cry wolf' phenomena.

(*You insisted all summer that you were a calm, non-emotive, level-headed individual.... You've since proven to be anything but.)
 
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Unfortunately, it still hurts when we lose.

It does indeed. Unfortunately some people have long ago convinced themselves that it hurts far them more than it does anyone else or any other team. What's more, many of those same people evidently just don't have skin thick enough to handle oppo banter and digs.

In some ways, even more so when we’re playing well and doing proper Spursy things (I’m reclaiming Spursy to mean playing attractive, attacking football - deal with it).

Some fans are fickle, always been that way, but I get the sense most on here are willing to wait and are enjoying the season. Ange isn’t perfect and he will make mistakes sometimes, but he is absolutely the right manager for this club, because he’s committed to playing the football that we are meant to play.

....Hell yes.
 
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I don't like Richard Keys but he has suggested Postos vision is unprofessional and it won't work at the top level.
The Richard keys who is no longer at the top level.

Look at the players who have so far improved under Posto in a few months

Porro
Bissouma
Sarr
Richarlison
Kulusevski
Romero before his moment.
Lo celso(based on 1game played)
Gil(based on 1 game played)

Look at how many new signings who have hit the ground running or showing potential.(something we haven't seen for so long)

Vicario
Van Der Ven
Udogie
Maddison
Johnson
Solomon(injured but was a good option)

This is in a few months not to mention Perisic who was AP's 1st option off the bench at start of season.

We're stripped to bare bones and we still have the ability to create chances, harry kane isn't there to bail him out, like previous managers have had.

Levy and co need to back this man.
 
Unfortunately, it still hurts when we lose. In some ways, even more so when we’re playing well and doing proper Spursy things (I’m reclaiming Spursy to mean playing attractive, attacking football - deal with it).

Some fans are fickle, always been that way, but I get the sense most on here are willing to wait and are enjoying the season. Ange isn’t perfect and he will make mistakes sometimes, but he is absolutely the right manager for this club, because he’s committed to playing the football that we are meant to play.
Yeah, I feel more and more like we made the right bet with him, now it's just a question of us giving him what he needs to succeed.
 
In the autumn of 2020, in the immediate aftermath of Manchester City drawing with Leeds and the City defence coming under some scrutiny Richard Keys said “They should bring Roy Hodgson or Sam Allardyce in temporarily. I mean, any of these guys have shaped teams defensively, haven’t they.”

You both specialise in face smacking sense, I see
I said I don't like Keys. I simply passed on his comment for consideration and discussion. I don't know if he's right or wrong. I don't have a crystal ball and neither does anyone else.
I was not inviting insults towards me, but in hindsight that's the norm on here.

So what is the recognised recipe for success in the PL ?
Let's start at the back....a sound and settled defence. A fail straight away. A hammy prone speedster ( he has previous ) and an inconsistent nut job.
 
....Yet your pre-match rhetoric would have been "We're screwed".

Like it has been at every slight bump or potential challenge since the season started(*).

People aren't blind to the challenges we've faced in recent weeks; nor those that lie ahead..... They're just not inclined to take fatalistic, prophecies of doom from someone seriously when those projections incessant.

Think of it as the 'cry wolf' phenomena.

(*You insisted all summer that you were a calm, non-emotive, level-headed individual.... You've since proven to be anything but.)
Perhaps I can go overboard with the doomerism at times, and that's something I can own and admit.

However, have you stopped to consider that maybe the cool, level-headed response is to predict a rough patch after such a barn-burning start? We were brilliant to begin the season but also quite lucky in a few matches to nick the victory - Liverpool obviously, Sheffield, I remember the likes of Luton, United, and Scum missing absolutely gilt-edged chances as well at important moments. The league was always going to adjust to Ange, managers were going to start asking tougher questions as more film and data was amassed on our players and style. Remember, Ange is famous for being a very slow starter, so the first 3 months have arguably been an anomaly.

While the new players in the XI have gelled fantastically well and we are moving in the right direction, no one can forget the past 4 years of utter pants-wetting once in a leading position from this football club. From an uncharacteristically flat Poch season in fall '19 to COVID football under Mou when we set a record for most points dropped post-80th minute, to the Conte capitulation against Southampton, I have never once felt comfortable watching my club protect a 1 goal lead in the last few minutes.

Now with our injury/suspension situation, it is now the same players being trusted to play. Hojbjerg. Royal. Davies. It sends a shiver up my spine to even say the name Eric Dier.

Ange is a brilliant motivator and interlocuter with a fine set of ideas, but he is not going to change the DNA of this lot overnight. Every fan knows in their deepest of hearts that we are at a high risk of capitulating with the open style and poor defensive prowess of the names listed above.

So now, yes, forgive me for not brimming with confidence. It is not a comment on Ange or Levy or anyone specifically, I just fucking hate the feeling of walking into a match feeling second best and not trusting my players. And I do not trust #5, #12, #33, or #15, especially not in such an open system that asks opponents to test us on the counter with pace.

To me, unless you are a massive optimist, I don't see how people can have any confidence seeing Manchester City and Erling Haaland at the Etihad next. Surely he and Alvarez won’t cause our CB pairing of two reserve fullbacks any issues. And of course West Ham and Newcastle (who would be hellish matches even with our full starting XI) are proper pushovers as well, right? We should be in the clear vs them. No worries whatsoever.

I'd argue that expecting short term success is the delusional, non-rational response. I expect the next few weeks will go rather poorly. All evidence so far points to it.
 
The Richard keys who is no longer at the top level.

Look at the players who have so far improved under Posto in a few months

Porro
Bissouma
Sarr
Richarlison
Kulusevski
Romero before his moment.
Lo celso(based on 1game played)
Gil(based on 1 game played)

Look at how many new signings who have hit the ground running or showing potential.(something we haven't seen for so long)

Vicario
Van Der Ven
Udogie
Maddison
Johnson
Solomon(injured but was a good option)

This is in a few months not to mention Perisic who was AP's 1st option off the bench at start of season.

We're stripped to bare bones and we still have the ability to create chances, harry kane isn't there to bail him out, like previous managers have had.

Levy and co need to back this man.
Forget who Keys is or what he has done. Just consider what he said in a calm way.
Try to look beyond the Ange tinted specs . Nobody knows if his idealistic approach will work.
 
I said I don't like Keys. I simply passed on his comment for consideration and discussion. I don't know if he's right or wrong. I don't have a crystal ball and neither does anyone else.
I was not inviting insults towards me, but in hindsight that's the norm on here.

Oh save the BS please........ A comment when mirrors much of the rhetoric you're insistent upon trying to establish.

This is pretty much your transparent m.o. on any subject you touch..... "It's not my opinion; honest guv".

So what is the recognised recipe for success in the PL ?
Let's start at the back....a sound and settled defence. A fail straight away. A hammy prone speedster ( he has previous ) and an inconsistent nut job.

What the fuck's this nonsense got to do with the previous suggestion that Ange is "unprofessional"?
 
Perhaps I can go overboard with the doomerism at times, and that's something I can own and admit.

However, have you stopped to consider that maybe the cool, level-headed response is to predict a rough patch after such a barn-burning start? We were brilliant to begin the season but also quite lucky in a few matches to nick the victory - Liverpool obviously, Sheffield, I remember the likes of Luton, United, and Scum missing absolutely gilt-edged chances as well at important moments. The league was always going to adjust to Ange, managers were going to start asking tougher questions as more film and data was amassed on our players and style. Remember, Ange is famous for being a very slow starter, so the first 3 months have arguably been an anomaly.

While the new players in the XI have gelled fantastically well and we are moving in the right direction, no one can forget the past 4 years of utter pants-wetting once in a leading position from this football club. From an uncharacteristically flat Poch season in fall '19 to COVID football under Mou when we set a record for most points dropped post-80th minute, to the Conte capitulation against Southampton, I have never once felt comfortable watching my club protect a 1 goal lead in the last few minutes.

Now with our injury/suspension situation, it is now the same players being trusted to play. Hojbjerg. Royal. Davies. It sends a shiver up my spine to even say the name Eric Dier.

Ange is a brilliant motivator and interlocuter with a fine set of ideas, but he is not going to change the DNA of this lot overnight. Every fan knows in their deepest of hearts that we are at a high risk of capitulating with the open style and poor defensive prowess of the names listed above.

So now, yes, forgive me for not brimming with confidence. It is not a comment on Ange or Levy or anyone specifically, I just fucking hate the feeling of walking into a match feeling second best and not trusting my players. And I do not trust #5, #12, #33, or #15, especially not in such an open system that asks opponents to test us on the counter with pace.

To me, unless you are a massive optimist, I don't see how people can have any confidence seeing Manchester City and Erling Haaland at the Etihad next. Surely he and Alvarez won’t cause our CB pairing of two reserve fullbacks any issues. And of course West Ham and Newcastle (who would be hellish matches even with our full starting XI) are proper pushovers as well, right? We should be in the clear vs them. No worries whatsoever.

I'd argue that expecting short term success is the delusional, non-rational response. I expect the next few weeks will go rather poorly. All evidence so far points to it.

Sorry; way TL/DR.

Injuries to pivotal players affects teams. It's nothing exclusive to us. You roll your sleeves up and crack on regardless.

No amount of melodrama will improve our predicament; no matter how dire.
 
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Oh save the BS please........ A comment when mirrors much of the rhetoric you're insistent upon trying to establish.

This is pretty much your transparent m.o. on any subject you touch..... "It's not my opinion; honest guv".



What the fuck's this nonsense got to do with the previous suggestion that Ange is "unprofessional"?
I dont have firm opinion on Posto, but I have doubts worthy of discussion.

I'm not a member of the happy clappy blinkered loyalty club.
 
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Sorry; way TL/DR.

Injuries to pivotal players affects teams. It's nothing exclusive to us. You roll your sleeves up and crack on regardless.

No amount of melodrama will improve our predicament; no matter how dire.
Then at the very least, please stop with the personal insults, if that’s your response.
 
Forget who Keys is or what he has done. Just consider what he said in a calm way.
Try to look beyond the Ange tinted specs . Nobody knows if his idealistic approach will work.
I've considered what Keys is saying in a calm way... I AM CALM.

I don't have Ange tinted specs on. But I've just considered how many players seem to have improved and signings hitting the ground running, since he arrived. That's good coaching.

Hardest thing in football is to create your own chances, we do that in abundance, were falling off late in games because we don't have a sufficient squad to maintain. Maybe a bit of pragmatism might come in handy here or there but he seems to want to get his message across.

Take your Richard Keys tinted specs off and keep his hairy hands off your keyboard.
 
Then at the very least, please stop with the personal insults, if that’s your response.

Hardly scathing..... I just said you've proven to not be something that you'd previously insisted you were (when you were getting prissy with me in the summer and - Ironically were cooking up a similarly fatalistic brouhaha).....

Literally a moment ago you posted: "Perhaps I can go overboard with the doomerism at times, and that's something I can own and admit."

Besides the fact you had previously held yourself up credible example of the polar-opposite; it's hardly some big insult on my part if you're gonna concede to what I just accused you of; is it???

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Look... Honestly, I did grazed over your mini-essay, but you're just trying to sell how fucking awful everything is; despite me from my very post on the matter already acknowledging that our predicament is problematic.

.......I don't need to read crap about you "shivering" at the though of Dier. It's nothing more than self-indulgent melodrama.


Let's cut all the hot air; what do you propose we do instead? .....Park the bus with a bunch of players that for the entirety of last season proved they weren't capable of?

"expecting short term success [is] delusional"

Show me where I have exhibited this? (Spoiler: I haven't.)

At this crossroads; I condone 'short term pain' for 'long term gain' here; cos the alternatives don't stand to serve us any better.......
 
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I've considered what Keys is saying in a calm way... I AM CALM.

I don't have Ange tinted specs on. But I've just considered how many players seem to have improved and signings hitting the ground running, since he arrived. That's good coaching.

Hardest thing in football is to create your own chances, we do that in abundance, were falling off late in games because we don't have a sufficient squad to maintain. Maybe a bit of pragmatism might come in handy here or there but he seems to want to get his message across.

Take your Richard Keys tinted specs off and keep his hairy hands off your keyboard.
Once again, I said I don't like Keys. So hardly tinted specs.
 
yep, should've blown villa away in the first half , same as Chelsea pre red.

Something we need to work on in transfer windows, clinical forwards
Wolves was the obvious one where utterly dominated them in very shit game for both teams. We must buy well over the next couple of windows because the fall off is so brutal from our best XI. We can’t and won’t spend the money that cheats can but we must where we can & we could. There is an absolutely amazing set up for lots of success but it’s small margins.
I have faith again and while I want it now, I see a plan I can run with
 
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