It’s a great screening question though.
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It’s a great screening question though.
So where do we stand now?
Has Gary damaged the BBC at a time when it already has enough problems? Yes
Has Gary changed any aspect of government policy? No
Has Gary increased his profile and boosted his popularity? Yes
Has Gary damaged the BBC at a time when it already has enough problems? Yes
Has Gary changed any aspect of government policy? No
Has Gary increased his profile and boosted his popularity? Yes
St Gary the Altruist.
Is his brother a sinister molester of barely legal teenage girls? Yes
The BBC damaged itself.
They wanted to pander to those in government who took offense and shot themselves in the foot spectacularly.
Agree. Even if you think Linekar is a smug, insufferable twat - and I think he is - the whole episode serves to highlight that the BBC are too willing to sway in the direction of the government. Also draws attention to the Tory connections at the top of the BBC and the rank hypocrisy of them trying to enforce "impartiality."
Hitler literally outlined in the mid 20s how he would pretend to have elements of socialism to attract the growing number of working class people looking at it as a solution. It was a stunt - a lie, a con. Hitler courted the rich industrialists and upper classes, and did a deal with the centre/right groupings in government for support to crush the socialists and communist threat to the ruling classes.
The Nazis first targets were trade unions, then socialists and communists. Hence, you know.... the famous poem.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Holocaust Memorial Day Trust | First They Came – by Pastor Martin Niemöller
First They Came is a poem by Pastor Martin Niemollerwww.hmd.org.uk
there was no great conspiracy to lie about socialism and you can find Hitler tried to join the German socialist party in the 20s and was thrown out due to his racial beliefs! There are now books admitting this in Germany. Some facts about the Nazis that socialists don't like people knowing include that your friend led the May day parades..
His apparent anti socialist comments were made to industrialists but only post 36..... And very few of them and again only after he managed to bankrupt Germany, having previously been bankrupt in 29. (Generally recovered by 33). Over 400 speeches including his final pre suicide rant was focused on capitalism and Jews ..... Funny how all these secret speeches on hating socialism were only heard by socialists, maybe the reason they are now being ignored.
And the poem .... Then they came
The inclusion of socialists only occurred in the 50s and was not part of the original for obvious reasons. He attacked Marxists not socialists ..... Again there is plenty literature on this now.
Ps a few years ago the guardian ran an article about Hitler trying to join another right wing group in the 20s - the German socialist party - this is taken from a book released at that time. The fact is that group litterlly was and is the German socialist Party, the socialist party. The author of the book was incredulous.
All rhetoric. Speeches, speeches, speeches.
Try reality, what the Nazis actually did when they had absolute power. German industrialists kept their industry and their money and had their coffers boosted from war contracts and slave labour, whilst trade unionists and left wing opposition were sent to the camps.
Fairytale supported by rhetoric - "Hitler was left wing!"
Reality of Nazis with absolute power - he was a fascist lunatic.
Were the Quandt family good socialists with their friend Adolf?
"Oh but the speeches!"
I find the problem with all this is you agree with lineker leftie woke, disgaree youre a far right nazi.
Its what happened in america. One side or another, no debate no nothing.
Is there people genuinely worried about it? Yes. Some people are worried about busloads of people arriving on their doorstep and if their voices arent heard can lead to a lot of trouble.
And if people on boats arent looked after it will lead to more deaths.
Somewhere there needs to be a middle ground to all this
Its what happened in america. One side or another, no debate no nothing.
Is there people genuinely worried about it? Yes. Some people are worried about busloads of people arriving on their doorstep and if their voices arent heard can lead to a lot of trouble.
And if people on boats arent looked after it will lead to more deaths.
Somewhere there needs to be a middle ground to all this
Great post and bang on.
I can see your point (as a Tory, you're understandably touchy about being compared to Nazis - anybody would be), but Lineker was very clear that he was comparing the LANGUAGE of 1930's Germany to the LANGUAGE being used by some Tory politicians currently. Can you not see the linguistic similarities? The Tories have been trying to villify migrants for years - you know that.
Show me a tweet from Lineker where he claims that migrants are being rounded up and murdered by the Government and I would agree with you.
Agreed. This started in the Brexit thread and has not let up since.
I disagree.
I think the majority of people are in the middle.
As usual there are the extremes who are shouting the loudest but that's because their arguments are the most ridiculous e.g. trying to paint Hitler as a 'leftie' (something I never knew was a thing until a few days ago).
I agree that most people are in the middle but social media is not the place for centrists. Or TFC for that matter.
Nah it's the same on here. Just the extreme arguments become the big arguments cos most can't believe what the minority try to argue.
99% of posters on here are alright and people you'd be happy to have a pint with even if you disagree with them of some things.
That 1% though...
Nah it's the same on here. Just the extreme arguments become the big arguments cos most can't believe what the minority try to argue.
99% of posters on here are alright and people you'd be happy to have a pint with even if you disagree with them of some things.
That 1% though...
We will have to agree to disagree.
The BBC is considered to be pandering to the Tory government and at the same time a hotbed of Trotskyites, which suggests that it does not do a bad job on preserving impartiality.
I think it is more fair to say that the BBC has not yet really understood the impact of social media on the news and current affairs space. Which is maybe not even a criticism since that is a new thing.
In a police state like Germany in the 1930s the LANGUAGE was completely controlled by the Nazis. So this is semantic nonsense. Lineker knew exactly what he was doing.
Totally. I occasionally scan through some other forums (Spurs and other teams) where the BBC is regarded as the bastion of the left and defender of all things woke.
Maybe they are more impartial than we choose to believe.
May I disagree with you here, Bill.
The first concentration camps in Germany were set up in 1933. Dachau, near Munich, was the first camp.
The then Sturmabteilung (SA) initially supervised the inmates.
In 1934, after the SA leadership was murdered by the SS, the SS took over supervision of the concentration camps. Dachau was the "model concentration camp" in which the bastard Theodor Eicke ruled. Here he determined the "catalogue of penalties", which then applied to all concentration camps in Germany.
On another point you have my full support.
When I hear from people from democratically run countries that we have "fascist conditions" etc., it makes me angry, because the actual fascists and National Socialists are more than downplayed.
I was lucky not to have to live a day under National Socialist leadership.
Who knows what would have become of me, a strapping SS criminal or a pastor or a resistance fighter or a follower?
No idea.
I have the greatest admiration for what the people who did - and if it was passive resistance - who stood up against the regime.