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He hasn’t trained yet. Healing a calf injury from last season and he should return to training soon.Where was Ivan P yesterday?
Sonny is a fricking legend at home. I’m not sure people understand just how popular he is.TBF, wasn't all Spurs. Loads of people in the crowd had other shirts. Even saw a Leeds one.
I guess it's like an NFL game over here.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. My perspective and frame of reference on this subject, as an "outsider", is likely to be different from yours anyway.I don't think that's an accurate assessment at all.... (Plus, actually more offensive to some that you may realise...)
I don't think, and didn't say, that age has anything to do with it. a 30 year old who has loved the club as long as they can remember is definitely not old, but most certainly a "long-time supporter". I will admit I could have phrased that better. I didn't mean to paint a broad stroke when I said "this place", it's definitely a minority of posters IMO.There are a few dickheads here that are Yank-o-phobes, but to suggest that it is inherent in the forum and/or born of a certain aged-group is dead wrong.
Agree, but IMO, many don't care to make that distinction. Just my perspective/opinion, certainly not something worth arguing over because we'll always have a different frame of reference......And being "plastic" has little to do with geography.
I thought it was clear (but apparently not - my bad) that I wasn't talking about the life-blood of the club, but rather what is needed to continue to grow and compete as one of the top clubs globally. Seems like you're taking this personal, but if the shoe doesn't fit, put it back on the shelf. My post is simply my perspective, not meant as a personal attack on anyone.On the flipside, match-going fans and 'lifers' do deserve a further level of respect as they have and will continue to be the lifeblood of the club..... That's something that any new or armchair fan (again irrespective of geography) needs to come to terms with.
That’s a lot of won-ga.Sonny is a fricking legend at home. I’m not sure people understand just how popular he is.
This match sold out in less than half an hour. I think the charge was 137,000 won per ticket.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. My perspective and frame of reference on this subject, as an "outsider", is likely to be different from yours anyway.
I don't think, and didn't say, that age has anything to do with it. a 30 year old who has loved the club as long as they can remember is definitely not old, but most certainly a "long-time supporter".
I will admit I could have phrased that better. I didn't mean to paint a broad stroke when I said "this place", it's definitely a minority of posters IMO.
Agree, but IMO, many don't care to make that distinction. Just my perspective/opinion, certainly not something worth arguing over because we'll always have a different frame of reference.
I thought it was clear that I wasn't talking about the life-blood of the club, but rather what is needed to continue to grow and compete as one of the top clubs globally. Seems like you're taking this personal, but if the shoe doesn't fit, put it back on the shelf. My post is simply my perspective, not meant as a personal attack on anyone.
We aren't, i just think there's a wide gap between "a few" and "most".So most people here make you feel un-welcome?
.......Or is it like I suggest "just a few dickheads"?
(Seems from your comment below; we're not far off the same page afterall.)
Agreed. If i was made to feel unwelcome, i wouldn't keep coming back.Touche.
I see the "dickheads" in question.... They don't represent the bulk of us; I assure you.
Totally fair, but definitely not my intent.(I take your point about age; but when someone says long-term; I'm left thinking decades.... 60s, 70s, 80.... Perhaps that's my own age being a factor.)
Yup, it feels like... (and i'm using "feels" intentionally, because i'm only sharing my perspective, not claiming it as a fact)I'd suggest the distinction comes woven into the insult/accusation......
e.g. A certain "dickhead" here constantly plays the "you're American therefore you don't know shit" card to undermine their understanding of the game, but to accuse someone of being a "plastic" is to question the nature or lack-therof of their support.
Cheers, that was my bad.Not taking it personal beyond the now retracted "broad stroke" you made, fella.
Agreed.(FWIW, the point I made about the core support wasn't even with myself in mind because regrettably I don't get to go as much as I'd like anymore..... I just have respect for those that do cos I know it's not necessarily an easy or affordable thing to do year after year.)
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We aren't, i just think there's a wide gap between "a few" and "most".
That's because it's Kane. The poster wants another Kane in a different position to the real Kane. Confusing stuff.We don’t have a creative midfielder position
Yeah, that's certainly the way the wind is blowing. I wish it weren't so globalised, though, for many reasons. Some of which are simple pragmatic convenience: for one thing, I wouldn't have to scroll through hundreds of comments saying nothing more than "SON!!!" on the average Spurs YT video in order to find any serious discussion of the video's content (why is that spam still happening after six years fgs?; you'd think they'd have gotten bored with that cultish behaviour by now -- but I guess that's celebrity worship for you, which is its own horror show). And awards that utilise public votes wouldn't be ruined by the fact that certain players (like Son, Salah etc.) have entire nations backing them unanimously (I've seen plenty of Egyptians sharing code for botting votes for Salah for certain POTY awards, for example).I know this place and the long-time supporters here like to complain about tourists and plastics, but honestly, if the club wants to compete for CL titles, they need global $upport.
This has hardly ever been the case in professional football. You'd only find something like this in lower league amateur football.If football were still local clubs made up of local players playing for a local manager and owner
Hard disagree (though obviously not gonna give your post a disagree because it's a polite discussion) . You only have to go back to maybe the 1950s to find even first division teams being dominated by local lads. That's always been my understanding from the football history books I've read. But maybe you do know better -- I'm not so arrogant as to think it's not possible. Have you got any good sources on this?This has hardly ever been the case in professional football. You'd only find something like this in lower league amateur football.
I've had a look into this before replying. I used Wikipedia as my source. I used FA Cup final teams because Wikipedia lists all the finals, with lineups, and you can click on a player and get some history on him.Hard disagree (though obviously not gonna give your post a disagree because it's a polite discussion) . You only have to go back to maybe the 1950s to find even first division teams being dominated by local lads. That's always been my understanding from the football history books I've read. But maybe you do know better -- I'm not so arrogant as to think it's not possible. Have you got any good sources on this?
Thank you for that. You put in the effort and went above and beyond. The result was genuinely interesting to read. Will absorb it, maybe consult the books sitting on my shelf, and let you know what I think.I've had a look into this before replying. I used Wikipedia as my source. I used FA Cup final teams because Wikipedia lists all the finals, with lineups, and you can click on a player and get some history on him.
Firstly though, how do you define "local lads"? This a grey area, and can vary by region. For instance, would someone, playing for Spurs, but born in Barking (10 miles away) be called a local lad? Or,someone born in a village in Northumberland, 10 miles north of Newcastle be called a local lad if he played for Newcastle? Or is someone born in Wigan, playing for Bolton, 10 miles away, a local lad. I would say, No, Yes, No, to the above 3 scenarios. Getting back to London, would you say that Terry Naylor, born and bred 5 miles away in Islington; was a local Spurs player?
Anyway, I looked at 5 FA Cup finals between 1950 and 1954 (10 teams). The highest number of local players in any team was 5 for Bolton Wanderers in 1953, and 4 for Liverpool in 1950. No managers were local.
To sum up. 19 of 110 players I looked at were local (17%).