I'll be honest Greavsie, I really don't think that winning the FA Cup would mean that for Aston Villa. It's hardly like they have an ambitious owner who would use it as a springboard to success.
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Well I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answers. Basically they're a lot closer to us than Woolwich, who are outta sight whether they win or lose the final. For me, I couldn't argue with any conviction against the idea that Villa would be at least joint 6th with us, should they win the FA Cup. Wigan are nothing like Villa, so that picture to me is totally irrelevant.I'll be honest Greavsie, I really don't think that winning the FA Cup would mean that for Aston Villa. It's hardly like they have an ambitious owner who would use it as a springboard to success.
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To be honest I think Villa and Everton are very much level with us in terms of big club status and I don't think a cup here or there is going to make much difference, it's such a subjective thing anyway and relies on so many different variables. But even if it did mean Villa "overtaking" us or something like that, I'd still rather them win the cup than the scum, 1000%.
Well that got a bit livelyBut I stand by my view 100%.
Villa are far closer to us in status than Woolwich, and it is eminently arguable that if they win the FA Cup that will mean they become the clear 6th biggest club in the country. It will also embarrass even more those who spent so long slagging off Sherwood, but that's another matter. We will never catch Woolwich while ENIC are in charge, but I don't want us overtaken by Villa, (or indeed West Ham who may become another threat with the OS).
It's not my fault ENIC have led us into the trophy drought that now sees Villa threatening our status in the hierarchy. Had we the type of billionaire benefactor that I so want and yet many don't want, then Villa wouldn't be the threat they now are.
You are an absolute mong.
My point was they are a big club already and arguably bigger than us having won the European cup twice. That's nothing to do with ENIC and really won't be altered if the win the FA cup this season. They still have an owner who will not invest but as soon as they do (if they do) they would immediately but challengers for our position.
My mistake. Confusing the Forrest Villa back to back thing.
Greaves357_bestever
the problem is that you're basing this all down to trophy haul. In that sense, yes, Aston Villa are just above us in the 'all time' club size - but let's be honest, they have been dancing around relegation these past few seasons. Villa aren't as big as us right now at all.Using your logic, we're four trophies 'ahead' of Manchester City, so they should be worried about us winning cups. But the reality is that their recent (and therefore relevent) history places them far above us in terms of wealth and player quality.
Either way, if this was a conversation about Villa vs. Reading in the final, I'd understand your logic... but they are against Woolwich for christ's sake! Unless Champions League qualification was on the line, I can't fathom why any Spurs fan wouldn't want Villa to win.
A couple of days ago, the forum was laughing about how out of touch Sky were for writing this:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...for-Woolwich-in-fa-cup-for-euro-qualification
Seriously?
SFW? They won all their shit in the 1800s didn't they? No matter, I'd rather see my granny getting gang banged than watch the goons win a knobbly knees competition, let alone the FA cup.
No wonder you get people wound up.
I`m still trying to get me head around this business of Villa having to win the FA cup to qualify for Europe. If this is the case, how is it that Hull qualified for this seasons competition after losing to Woolwich in the final, at the expense of Man United who finished 7th ?
aulinhowtf:I thinkI`m still trying to get me head around this business of Villa having to win the FA cup to qualify for Europe. If this is the case, how is it that Hull qualified for this seasons competition after losing to Woolwich in the final, at the expense of Man United who finished 7th ?
Joe Clash
clarified this the other day but essentially the rules were changed last July so that runner up no longer gets the place, it is given to the league position.
Can we do a switcheroo and leave Paulinho there and nick MS back?
They changed the rules last summer from the FA Cup winners or runner ups (if the winners were already in Europe) to just the winners.I`m still trying to get me head around this business of Villa having to win the FA cup to qualify for Europe. If this is the case, how is it that Hull qualified for this seasons competition after losing to Woolwich in the final, at the expense of Man United who finished 7th ?
Could be down to how poorly some of these FA Cup runner-up teams have performed in the Europa league. Give the spot to 7th (or 6th) place instead, and the team qualifying will likely do better - therefore helping England's european coefficient. Or something like that.
At least it means that the league cup and FA cup now have the same rules applying to them.
A major,reason we can't support the Goooons in the FA cup apart from the obvious..............
currently we are the ONLY club since 1900 to have retained the FA cup TWICE 60/61 61/62 and 80/81 and 81/82 ........the Goons and Chelski have retained it only once........and the Dippers and Mancs have MEVER retained the FA CuP
currently we are the ONLY club since 1900 to have retained the FA cup TWICE 60/61 61/62 and 80/81 and 81/82 ........the Goons and Chelski have retained it only once........and the Dippers and Mancs have MEVER retained the FA CuP
Woolwich are 9 points ahead of us and Villa are 25 behind. In terms of quality we are closer to Woolwich.Well I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answers. Basically they're a lot closer to us than Woolwich, who are outta sight whether they win or lose the final. For me, I couldn't argue with any conviction against the idea that Villa would be at least joint 6th with us, should they win the FA Cup. Wigan are nothing like Villa, so that picture to me is totally irrelevant.
When it comes to club size, Villa have fewer fans, never qualify for Europe and are a mess financially. They have a good history, but they aren't a threat to us whatsoever.
Fair comments Dixie, we differ obviously, but you agree with me that there is some similarity at least in status between us and Villa, whereas Woolwich left both clubs trailing in their dust years ago.
So for me it's simple, Villa are nearer to us than Woolwich, therefore I prefer Woolwich to win.
Hi TLD, I'm NOT basing my analysis just on trophy haul. Please read my other posts in this thread. I must say I find your incorrect analysis and lecturing me on what I already know and have stated in this thread, and other threads as well on the question of bigness, somewhat irritating. I hope you will withdraw these misguided comments, cheers Greavesie.
Using your logic, we're four trophies 'ahead' of Manchester City, so they should be worried about us winning cups. But the reality is that their recent (and therefore relevent) history places them far above us in terms of wealth and player quality.
Either way, if this was a conversation about Villa vs. Reading in the final, I'd understand your logic... but they are against Woolwich for christ's sake! Unless Champions League qualification was on the line, I can't fathom why any Spurs fan wouldn't want Villa to win.
A couple of days ago, the forum was laughing about how out of touch Sky were for writing this:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...for-Woolwich-in-fa-cup-for-euro-qualification
Lloris
Yedlin - Fazio - Vertonghen - Rose
Dembele - Bentaleb
Lamela - Eriksen - Chadli
Kane
Yedlin - Fazio - Vertonghen - Rose
Dembele - Bentaleb
Lamela - Eriksen - Chadli
Kane
I'd play that if Lloris and Rose are both fit. I think it would be brave playing Yedlin but I feel that unpredictability in his game could be a benefit to us, not to mention his pace. Fazio and Vertonghen deserve another start together and Rose is one of the first names on the teamsheet.
Despite a rare solid performance from Paulinho, I'd opt with a more physical presence in Dembele in midfield alongside Bentaleb. I'd also start the same front four that started the Newcastle game.
If Lloris and Rose aren't fit. Then Vorm and Davies come in for them and our style of play changes. I personally think with the above line up, we scrape a 1-2 win.
It simply doesn't, and I hope you're not poking my fun at my analysis Joe, otherwise we'll have to resume our previous status on this board, with me ignoring you again.Everton have won 9 titles to our 2 - so that makes them 4 and a half times bigger than us.