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To be fair, in the last 10 season before this one, SAF only led United to the QF stage or beyond on just 5 occasions. Of the other 5, 3 of them getting knocked out at R16 and 2 of them failing to get past the group stage. Fergie made up for this with 3 finals, one of them a win.
Either way, it's not a bad season from the CL point of view.
Fergie was also immensely lucky that Robin van Injurie didn't spent last season on the physio table, as they would have technically been worse than Moyes's Utd without him
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...in-Van-Persie-Liverpool-19th-Luis-Suarez.html
(I hope Utd's board read this)
They do have some average ones, but they also have Rooney, Mata and Van Persie, who are all amazing. Hopefully the win tonight kept Moyse his job.
But it is considered correct to ignore all terminologies over a certain age and only make use of word in it's more recent historical context...David Baddiel told me that.I'm cool with using words that've been in the English language for over a century.
Did someone say Gillette?
What we need is what Liverpool have done; put minimal expectation on a manager (pity that there are few of Rodgers caliber and age floating around - and that we dropped a knacker in not getting him). Liverpool have spent money, unquestionably some of it has been wasted but just look at Henderson, and to ever improving degrees Joe Allen; both were ridiculed last season, and Allen up until the new year but both are very young, and required time to adjust to a number of things, namely playing for Sunderland or Swansea to playing for Liverpool - and big transfer fees....well now those signings have been coached significantly well enough to be playing key roles in a team challenging for the title.
My point being that players who have failed to meet expectation aren't for the scrap heap - they need a little more time, and to be coached with an ultimate aim.
We sold Caulker and replaced him with Chiriches - seemed strange at the time and remains so. Thrust a youngster into the first team, then removed him, then thrust him back in again - we don't seem to be able to do things by engaging our brains.
Soldado scores a winner from open play, hasn't started a game since but Kane has!
I know AVB wasn't everyone's cup of tea but we were in a better position under him than we currently are. I agree it was time for him to go but only if we had a contingency plan that involved a manager with some degree of experience.
If that is van Gaal then great, he has an incredible CV - could well bring in one or two players by reputation alone but whatever he does, I would much prefer the board and those supporters who have the patience of a child who has just inhaled a packet of fizzy Haribo, to look at where we are, and where our competitors are, when they do, they'll realise that we have a very tough job, and that the ball was firmly dropped three years ago.
My point being that players who have failed to meet expectation aren't for the scrap heap - they need a little more time, and to be coached with an ultimate aim.
We sold Caulker and replaced him with Chiriches - seemed strange at the time and remains so. Thrust a youngster into the first team, then removed him, then thrust him back in again - we don't seem to be able to do things by engaging our brains.
Soldado scores a winner from open play, hasn't started a game since but Kane has!
I know AVB wasn't everyone's cup of tea but we were in a better position under him than we currently are. I agree it was time for him to go but only if we had a contingency plan that involved a manager with some degree of experience.
If that is van Gaal then great, he has an incredible CV - could well bring in one or two players by reputation alone but whatever he does, I would much prefer the board and those supporters who have the patience of a child who has just inhaled a packet of fizzy Haribo, to look at where we are, and where our competitors are, when they do, they'll realise that we have a very tough job, and that the ball was firmly dropped three years ago.
Well said sir...well said.
I think the point you raised above is specifically baffling. The lads confidence must be battered again.
I don't think this is strange, it's been discussed an awful lot
I was surprised as he had potential, but £8m wasn't a bad deal considering he was hardly a model pro.
I think there has to be sacrifices made, Fergie style, to weed out the troublemakers in a club tbh
Wasnt it up to £10m? For a reserve out of the academy thats massive money, and we replaced him with a quality international for less. I never had a problem with the deal.
Caulker himself? I thought he was "ok". Not bad, not remarkable.
I do find the recent desire to see him return as some sort of saviour a bit odd to be honest
Caulker himself? I thought he was "ok". Not bad, not remarkable.
I do find the recent desire to see him return as some sort of saviour a bit odd to be honest
In an ideal world, I guess. We probably would have too, in an ideal world.
I don't think it was that simple at the time, but I agree that we are short of options in defence this season
I'm not sure it is absence makes the heart grow fonder, it may be that I wish we could produce more players but I think he'll be a great player.
I wasn't particularly bothered at the time because a) thought Kaboul's situation was better and b) lotta rumors out at the time we were quite actively pursuing another CB. In hindsight, it certainly is a strange decision based on his HG status and now how thin we are at the position considering a poor evaluation of Kaboul.