Four weeks of hell.

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I totally agree with that. I'm just trying to take the positive though. We're always going to go through a bad run. All teams are. Being unbeaten during a bad spell is not to be scoffed at imo
So am I mate, but performances since the Man City game have been steadily getting worse. The Champions League result on wednesday wasn't just a set-back, it was bloody embarassing.
 
So am I mate, but performances since the Man City game have been steadily getting worse. The Champions League result on wednesday wasn't just a set-back, it was bloody embarassing.
It was embarrassing. Injuries haven't helped though. We ended the game without Toby, Dembele, Lamela, Kane and Eriksen on the pitch. That's half of our best XI.
 
I've not actually read any of his articles.
As I see it, the problem is simple: Fatigue.
This is the problem with Poch's methods. When a human being is fatigued, they start making sub-optimal decisions.
And last night's performance was simply the result of 11 fatigued players making sub-optimal decisions.
Maybe that's because the squad has no depth of experience and the first 11 are all internationals.
Walker Rose Dele Kane ( when fit) and Dier regular for England. Eriksen for Denmark. Lloris for France Son for Korea, Wanyama for Kenya.
Vertonghen and Alderweireld for Belgium.
All these are not fringe players and have played big parts in Internationals when other teams have not let their players go or haven't had them picked.
When do players get rested then? You can' just not prepare for games. Do you really think he's making them run themselves into the ground in the 3 -4 days between games?
After Man City we had the international 'break' which wasn't for our players.
They then came back from International duties and have played 5 of 7 games in 22 days before more internationals and back for another 3 games in 8 days v Chelsea , West Lame and in the South of France.

Of course they are fucking knackered.
If we had players of a similar calibre who could be relied on to win games, we could rotate some of them.
Some even moan when we don't go full strength in the cups. But of course it's training that makes us knackered.
They did it in the old days, however when European games were not groups but 2 legged KO's.
Now you play 6 games before getting to the KO ties.
 
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Because the majority of them were playing in the summer Euros. They have had at most 1 month's rest. Add to that the intensity of the play towards the end of last season, and you get one thing, Fatigue.

It's not just Poch's sides which get fatigued. His mentor Biesla also knackered his sides out, so that they didn't really win anything.

Poch needs to change if he actually wants to win something, but I don't think that is going to happen.

You do realise that Poch trains them to increase stamina and endurance? You do realise that many professional athletes train hard to increase stamina and endurance. If training hard only ever led to fatigue every sportsman in the world would be wasting their time by training and I would be able to rival most Olympians because I don't train at all.
 
Yeah, 3 points out of 9 in the last three matches. Win two and lose one gives a much better return, but let's keep banging the 'not lost' drum.

You do realise the psychological importance of not losing don't you? I mean, points are relevant in terms of the table, but in terms of the next game, the psychological aspect is of far more importance than the extra point on the board.
 
You do realise that Poch trains them to increase stamina and endurance? You do realise that many professional athletes train hard to increase stamina and endurance. If training hard only ever led to fatigue every sportsman in the world would be wasting their time by training and I would be able to rival most Olympians because I don't train at all.

I realise all those things. But football is different from athletics, insofar as it involves creativity. Spurs are stumbling because their key creative players are knackered. You need to score goals to win matches.
I stand by my original point, Spurs are suffering because of over training and the attritional style of play.
I wish we weren't (and I'm not a troll). But Poch needs to change his methods if Spurs are to progress as a side.
 
I realise all those things. But football is different from athletics, insofar as it involves creativity. Spurs are stumbling because their key creative players are Injured. You need to score goals to win matches.
I stand by my original point, Spurs are suffering because of injuries
I wish we weren't (and I'm not a troll). But Poch needs to stop playing getting injured if Spurs are to progress as a side.


Harry - knackered?
Toby - Knackered?
Dembele - Knackered?

Not sure if English is your native tongue but just in case it is not, I have been nice and corrected your post (see above) I'm sure everyone on the forum is forgiving of your original post and can now see it makes much more sense after I helped with your English....


Would suggest you send me a draft of the letter you plan on sending Poch.....
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Soon as we hit a dry spell but still 3 points of the top I might add..... it's let's jump on the cunt band wagon and blame it all on Poch!

It's great that Poch has sorted out Tottenham's defensive issues (which have existed ever since I attended my first Spurs game in 89). That's the main reason we are now in the Champions League. For that I am very grateful to him.
My point is that Poch needs to change his training methods, that's all. I'm not calling for him to be sacked.
 
You mean captain hindsight? Why is it that Verheijen always starts moaning after the player gets injured? Why could he not have told us in advance that Kane would sustain an injury when he did?
In fairness to Verheijen, he has been saying this a long time now, that Poch's training methods need to be less intense, he did an interview on TalkSport at the end of last season. Overall he is complimentary about Poch as a manager, he just thinks he needs to lay off the double training sessions.
 
It's great that Poch has sorted out Tottenham's defensive issues (which have existed ever since I attended my first Spurs game in 89). That's the main reason we are now in the Champions League. For that I am very grateful to him.
My point is that Poch needs to change his training methods, that's all. I'm not calling for him to be sacked.

No, our defence paid a part in us getting champions league football, but the real reason we got there is from scoring goals...... our defence is still doing its jobs now, (best in premier league so far) and apparently this consistutes as 4 weeks hell?
 
Sunderland have had four months in hell...what they wouldn't give for our last four weeks.

so if we don't win Sunday (I think we will) does someone then edit this thread to 5 weeks in hell?

Like I said before if this is hell, I can't wait to go to heaven, guessing it would have to be Champions league winner, invincibles and PL winner, FA Cup, EFL cup, charity shield winners and due to our amazing form they would break all the rules and let us compete in Europa league as well and obviously we would win that!!! Might as well give Poch a knighthood!!!
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Charming. I have a Phd in English as it happens, perhaps you would rewrite that for me too?
The Dutch training expert Raymond Verheijen (who I dare say knows more about this issue than you do) has also criticised Poch's training methods, and fatigue leads to injuries. Here's what he said about Kane:
“What probably has happened is that Pochettino has trained them too hard, too soon in pre-season, and twisting your ankle is a typical injury when you have accumulated fatigue.”
Eriksen and Alli are non-injured creative players who have also lost their edge.
The solution is simple - don't push the players so hard in training.

Only asking you because of your PHD thingy....
But shouldn't the thread be called 4 weeks IN hell as opposed to of hell?
And I know we should keep the topic to football but a thread like this is a joke so I'm treating it as such.....
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4 weeks of hell? Are we fucking serious.... if this is hell I would love to see your interpretation of heaven!
get a grip please....
You seem to already defined heaven in a previous post. More accurately, "NOT HELL" would be not dropping points to teams who should be cannon fodder for us. At the moment, our attacking options come to nothing. As has already been noticed in this thread a number of midfield/forward players just aren't performing. Whether it's Pochettino's training methods or the introduction of less-than-quality players I don't know. Probably a combination. Compared to other teams' injuries we have too many players becoming unable to play.
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Only asking you because of your PHD thingy....
But shouldn't the thread be called 4 weeks IN hell as opposed to of hell?
And I know we should keep the topic to football but a thread like this is a joke so I'm treating it as such.....
No it shouldn't. So keep on laughing at the joke.
 
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Every game is painful to watch. I honestly believe that Potch is AVB reincarnated. Six games now without a goal from open play. I was once told that football is meant to be entertaining, but the person who told me may have been mistaken. I have had enough, Poch out !!
That is the worst attempt at trolling I have seen in a long time.
 
That is the worst attempt at trolling I have seen in a long time.

No trolling mate. For some strange reason there is an element of supporters who see poch as a God, I see him as a slightly improved version of AVB, and no better. The football is absolute agony to watch, and the manager doesn't have a plan B. Can you honestly tell me that out players aren't better than the crap they are dishing up ?

I said at the beginning of the season he won't make it until the end, now I am thinking Christmas.
 
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