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I don't think anybody minds criticism of Poch, but if you criticize surely I'm allowed to defend? A lot of "Poch critics" are victimizing themselves. I agree with a lot of what is being said about rotation etc., but the standards that Poch is being held up to by some fans is ridiculous.Exactly. What's wrong with a bit of debate? A difference of opinion? Really getting fucked off with people preaching at me that I should give Poch time, then I go to the Lamela thread and they are cunting him off for being shite, the two faced arseholes.
Fucking holier than thou cunts just go for the kill at the sniff of discontent. Wouldn't mind so much being told what to do, but not from a prick who wasn't even born when I started supporting Spurs.
Odd, none of their smiles seem very confident or genuine, like it's a naked Daniel Levy taking the picture and they're all shocked and disturbed.
Odd, none of their smiles seem very confident or genuine, like it's a naked Daniel Levy taking the picture and they're all shocked and disturbed.
Or, to issue a saying from my neck of the woods, they're all grinning like a possum eatin' briars.
Of course you can defend him. If you do, I won't call into question your support of the club, I won't call you a cunt, I won't call you a melt and I won't question your sanity. Unless you do it first!I don't think anybody minds criticism of Poch, but if you criticize surely I'm allowed to defend? A lot of "Poch critics" are victimizing themselves. I agree with a lot of what is being said about rotation etc., but the standards that Poch is being held up to by some fans is ridiculous.
Yeah, why should fans support their manager and shit? Utter disgraceIt just seems to me that some on here have some serious blind faith in Poch, with no reason to back it up
Of course you can defend him. If you do, I won't call into question your support of the club, I won't call you a cunt, I won't call you a melt and I won't question your sanity. Unless you do it first!
It just seems to me that some on here have some serious blind faith in Poch, with no reason to back it up, then go completely spastic when anyone questions this faith. Complete and utter devotion is no basis for debate. Others have taken the piss at me "being on the fence", but I can't understand how anyone can be sure of Poch's credentials yet, he has so much to prove.
Yeah....so when are you getting off the fence?Of course you can defend him. If you do, I won't call into question your support of the club, I won't call you a cunt, I won't call you a melt and I won't question your sanity. Unless you do it first!
It just seems to me that some on here have some serious blind faith in Poch, with no reason to back it up, then go completely spastic when anyone questions this faith. Complete and utter devotion is no basis for debate. Others have taken the piss at me "being on the fence", but I can't understand how anyone can be sure of Poch's credentials yet, he has so much to prove.
so now thats 89 people on this forum who dont understand how u can support & criticise the same thing. i hope u dont apply the same thing to love & criticism. your mum says why didnt u make your bed. u come to the conclusion that she doesnt love u because u cant criticise & love the same thing. if only things were as black & white as u make out.Yeah, why should fans support their manager and shit? Utter disgrace
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To play devils advocate bud.... how about instead of just criticising, you write the pros as you see it too?so now thats 89 people on this forum who dont understand how u can support & criticise the same thing. i hope u dont apply the same thing to love & criticism. your mum says why didnt u make your bed. u come to the conclusion that she doesnt love u because u cant criticise & love the same thing. if only things were as black & white as u make out.
i have tryed to refrain from doing this. i did it a while ago. but before u know it theres pages & pages of the same posters arguing & debating. & i got called a melt & gooner troll cunt quite a few times. also i dont think theres any value in going over the same things time & time again.To play devils advocate bud.... how about instead of just criticising, you write the pros as you see it too?
Genuinely interested.
I don't follow anyone on here or hound a particular persons posts, but a vague recollection of you is that you're fairly critical of the current standings.
If you can write what you see as good and see as bad ....... for 1, it might add more weight to the flaws as you see it
Well I think all of us on the forum have to be a little bit thick skinnedi have tryed to refrain from doing this. i did it a while ago. but before u know it theres pages & pages of the same posters arguing & debating. & i got called a melt & gooner troll cunt quite a few times. also i dont think theres any value in going over the same things time & time again.
another reason is this forums 99% poch is god. so iam just trying to balance it out. they dont need me to repeat the others pros like youngsters coming through.
but just for u il quickly break it down.
pros- youngsters coming through. new stadium. lloris. kane.
cons- no plan b. too much deadweight. poor defensively. pressing game hard to make sustinable over a whole season. baldini. the 3 quite good players instead of 1 really good player transfer policy.
ps. i think u mistook this for a forum where u can criticise the manager or club.
Yes, a ridiculous standpoint.I do note that you polarise the view that any comment versus Poch is basically bad
no, thats all fine. but people on this forum dont apply this to previous managers. thats what i have an issue with. they all knew what went down on the training ground under tim & avb. but when it comes to poch they say how do u know what happens on the training ground?I do note that you polarise the view that any comment versus Poch is basically bad.
Personally I don't feel that.
And we all have to admit that any criticsm is often from a position where we don't really know what the manager is trying to achieve, don't know what's going on in training or in the background politics.
For example.... his no plan b. Do you really know what's going on, or is it your perceived take on things?
Personally my take on this 1 issue is that he is persisting with trying to break underlying issues and instill a philosophy and that he's partially working with his hands tied.
You could polarise this, say I'm pro Poch. Whereas I'm really choosing and hoping to find a method in his actions.
bollocks- if it were just a career, would Poch make sure to hold the banner with both hands, or to make sure that his hands were level as the photo was taken? #yiddoProbably because this is just another job, one of the three they've had so far, and held similar banners in the past for other clubs. Worth remembering this is just a career for them.
As a fellow fan, I both admonish you for your excoriation of another fan, and as a fellow fan I support you as a fellow fan:holtbytongue:Yeah, why should fans support their manager and shit? Utter disgrace
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I think its safe to assume his mother thinks hes a monumental cretin.so now thats 89 people on this forum who dont understand how u can support & criticise the same thing. i hope u dont apply the same thing to love & criticism. your mum says why didnt u make your bed. u come to the conclusion that she doesnt love u because u cant criticise & love the same thing. if only things were as black & white as u make out.
Don't think that works either. Look at Athletico - although they dealt with it brilliantly. However well we do one of the money clubs will nick our players.^^^ Oh do fuck off Gazetta... they're as bad as Marca & L'equipe... I hate the fucking Summer.
So if we don't qualify/win anything, everyone is off 'in search of CL football/trophies etc' ...and if we do well, everyone is after our players who 'did so well'!
What can we do to fend off the shit-stirring rumours...? just win the League I guess!