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I think the bigger issue isn't with Jewish Spurs fans, many of whom are proud of 'Yid', but with non-Spurs and non-football fans.Thelonious said:this is the crux of the whole argument really.Smoked Salmon said:I don't consider myself a Jew but my mother's side of the family is Jewish and I grew up around the traditions, et al. I was always taught that Yid was an offensive word. So when I first started going to WHL it made me a little uncomforatble. But the general consensus amongst Spurs supporting Jews is that it does not offend. So I suppose the argument has to be, is it bad if it offends even one personb, or is teh majority opinion what matters?
your hotlinking has failed you, t?Thelonious said:
Flav said:But why is okay to adopt 'yid'
Flav said:But why is okay to adopt 'yid'
Blanchflower said:Flav said:But why is okay to adopt 'yid'
adopting a 'term' is proceeded by it being socially acceptable to openly use it as a term of abuse
historically it must have been socially acceptable for opposition fans to use the word 'yid'
I have heard Asian youths describe themselves as 'Pa**s' in a militant type way, which is a similar use. However, I doubt their non-Asian friends use it about themselves.ZoC said:Blanchflower said:Flav said:But why is okay to adopt 'yid'
adopting a 'term' is proceeded by it being socially acceptable to openly use it as a term of abuse
historically it must have been socially acceptable for opposition fans to use the word 'yid'
not sure where ur going with this, blanchflower.
"yid" comes from "yiddish", a socially acceptable term to describe the language used by east european jews.
similarly "n*gg*r" comes from "negro", a socially acceptable (spanish) term for black.
similarly "p*ki" comes from "pakistani", a socially acceptable term for people from pakistan.
however, certainly in the uk, it has never been socially acceptable to use the term "yid", just as it has never been socially acceptable to us the "n" or "p" word.
i'm sorry. whether we like it or not, "yid" was and remains an ethnic slur; a derogatory slang word for a jew. look it up!
and there is a clear pejorative equivalance between the "y" word and the "n" or "p" word... which is why i had the chutzpah to post what i did above. i'd like to think it got people thinking.
now, if it's ok for us to adopt the term "yid" to describe ourselves as spurs fans (and we all know the reasons why we did it), by the same token, under different circumstances, we could have been "n*gg*rs" or "p*k*s".
now, if ur not comfortable with that, but remain comfortable with using the term "yid", i'd be interested to hear why.
Yeah, but you're Jewish, for a start, so you understand its meaning. I mean, you really understand it.Park Lane Ninja said:isn't it great to be able to reclaim the word 'yid' from its negative connotations. I'm Jewish and when I shout 'yid' at the lane I feel like it completely reduces the impact of any anti semitism that I hear at most away grounds and from most away fans when they come to to WHL