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Guido said:
Tottenham is our home. It's worth connecting with it.

Good piece here in The Guardian, thought I'd share.
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This is an interesting article and thanks for posting it. I still have quite alot of family/family friend s living in Tottenham and they mostly think the regeneration is a good thing. My dad also works in the housing unit in tottenham and said most of the council tenants have been 're housed in the area , with the new developments. I think the long term benefits of regeneration is that the area becomes safer and a nicer place to live. But it then becomes to expensive for most local residents to stay. I work in Hackney and none of my colleagues can afford to buy there!
 
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Who'd have thought a home friendly against Athletic Bilbao would spark such carnage!!

Glad the I ♡ Tottenham campaign started as a result of this... did a LOT of good for the area... (even if the heart in the logo was red!) I'd have gone for
"I HART Tottenham!" me'self!
But that's just me.... never happy!
 
SouthStand Billy said:
Broke my heart walking up the High Street seeing all the burnt down buildings and utter carnage..

A big piece of Tottenham was lost during these riots, and I'm not just talking about bricks and mortar..

It's a soulless area these days which is such a shame..
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What makes you think it's soulless?

Very subjective, but soulless would be one of the last adjectives I would use. It ain't pretty (except along some parts of the lea) but it's alive. And there is definitely a community spirit here.

Gentrification is definitely an issue where I live in South Tottenham. When I moved in here, 3.5 years ago, I would often be the only white face on my tube carriage beyond Finsbury Park- except on match days of course. Nowadays it's about 50-50, only partly due to a lot of East Europeans in the area, and there's hipster pizza and coffee places, plus the Beehive serving pulled pork and having a yoga night. As the article says, most of the locals get lost in this, I guess most will have to live with their mum until they're fifty or move out of London. North Tottenham still retains its character though.
 
palmers_green_yid said:
What makes you think it's soulless?

Very subjective, but soulless would be one of the last adjectives I would use. It ain't pretty (except along some parts of the lea) but it's alive. And there is definitely a community spirit here.

Gentrification is definitely an issue where I live in South Tottenham. When I moved in here, 3.5 years ago, I would often be the only white face on my tube carriage beyond Finsbury Park- except on match days of course. Nowadays it's about 50-50, only partly due to a lot of East Europeans in the area, and there's hipster pizza and coffee places, plus the Beehive serving pulled pork and having a yoga night. As the article says, most of the locals get lost in this, I guess most will have to live with their mum until they're fifty or move out of London. North Tottenham still retains its character though.
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I was referring to the high road in particular.. I remember as a boy walking up the High Road and many Old Boys would be in their gardens saying "enjoy the game Boy" or asking you what the score was going to be.. Now you walk up the High Road and barely one person could give a toss if there was a match or not. It's nothing like it used to be.
 
Really don't know how the pubs are going to cope on match days when the new ground is built, it takes way to long to get a beer in whatever pub you drink it on match day at the moment let alone when another 20,000 odd , on the other hand the pubs that only open on match day are going to struggle for a season when we are playing at Wembley
 
I've noticed that in Cheshunt, where my parents still live, more and more of the black community from North London are moving out. I think this is indicative of the ever expanding London. With the regeneration the stadium will bring, and with the gentrification of London continuing to expand, I wouldn't mind betting that Tottenham will be very different in 20-30 years.
 
the walk from seven sisters used to be buzzing everybody excited about the game but now its nothing like that you see more goon shirts down to mcdonalds at bruce grove its only when you get to North Tottenham that it feels like the old days, although very much toned down from the glorious 80,s, on the topic of pubs could do with a few more especially between scotland green and the bell n hare, but then i guess the club will want us to drink in the ground in the new place
 
eanN17 said:
But Spurs will only be able to dictate which pubs will be inside the stadium area?
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Of course, but if the majority of the 60k are probably going to be drinking in the stadium (specifically before and after KO) that puts huge pressure on the Pubs outside, most of which are dives and need money they don't have spent on them. That's if they survive the year we are away at Wembley.
 
The Bell and Hare has clearly planned carefully to be able to survive the Wembley year and stay in business beyond it - they've rebranded, renovated, added multiple bars outside, and they're even using the upstairs as a hostel. Most of the staff there are clearly just temps who come in for matchdays. I'm sure the changes have put off some of the people that have been drinking there for years, but they're still getting packed out for matchdays despite putting their prices up massively, and they probably still get a decent amount of income the rest of the time too.
 
I've personally never lived in Tottenham (I support the the team because everyone in my family does and I would have been excommunicated if I'd picked anyone else), but the area has never had anything in it which has made me want to stay in it too long pre-or-post match. Or ever go there on a non-matchday. But then, the same can be said about where I currently live (terribly close to the Olympic Stadium, although I'm moving oop north in a couple of months to start a PhD about the displacement of working class communities from council estates, fittingly). Communities aren't necessarily about attracting day-trippers or outsiders to come and have a visit, they're about places for people to live.

I think Tottenham is going to become highly gentrified and this is going to hit long-standing residents hard. I went to the premiere of The Hard Stop, which is a film about Mark Duggan's family and friends and Broadwater Farm, and it certainly gives the impression of there being a community there, just one that is very rarely presented in any kind of positive light, and I do worry about things like that being destroyed - as they have been all over London over the past 15 years or so. Also on a Spurs level I think there will be an inevitable disconnect between the club and the area because, although it's great we're not moving, the people buying the new flats aren't going to be picking them because they're convenient for matchdays. They won't even be Spurs fans. They'll just be people eyeing up the next up-and-coming area in a city that's running out of them.

That said, I am excited about the new stadium. But it will be a shame for Tottenham to just become another area that only the super-wealthy can afford to live in.
 
Of all the match day pubs that I venture into other times, its only the coach and horses,
imitationleather said:
I've personally never lived in Tottenham (I support the the team because everyone in my family does and I would have been excommunicated if I'd picked anyone else), but the area has never had anything in it which has made me want to stay in it too long pre-or-post match. Or ever go there on a non-matchday. But then, the same can be said about where I currently live (terribly close to the Olympic Stadium, although I'm moving oop north in a couple of months to start a PhD about the displacement of working class communities from council estates, fittingly). Communities aren't necessarily about attracting day-trippers or outsiders to come and have a visit, they're about places for people to live.

I think Tottenham is going to become highly gentrified and this is going to hit long-standing residents hard. I went to the premiere of The Hard Stop, which is a film about Mark Duggan's family and friends and Broadwater Farm, and it certainly gives the impression of there being a community there, just one that is very rarely presented in any kind of positive light, and I do worry about things like that being destroyed - as they have been all over London over the past 15 years or so. Also on a Spurs level I think there will be an inevitable disconnect between the club and the area because, although it's great we're not moving, the people buying the new flats aren't going to be picking them because they're convenient for matchdays. They won't even be Spurs fans. They'll just be people eyeing up the next up-and-coming area in a city that's running out of them.

That said, I am excited about the new stadium. But it will be a shame for Tottenham to just become another area that only the super-wealthy can afford to live in.
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Indeed. A big beef of mine.
I have nothing against a not so nice area being improved. Sadly though, its very rarely ,if ever the locals that benefit.
 
For those of you heading up tomorrow afternoon. Strongly recommend you visit the new "N17!" bar just before Aldi on the high road. They do banging toasties and slush rum cocktails (I know!), along with Redemption and One Mile End beers, both brewed in Tottenham. The guy is a local lad and has been open for a few months.

- Not affiliated to him in any way, just live very close by and have been there a few times :)
 
I8AVB said:
Look, I have been going to Spurs since the early 70s, and to be honest it has never been a haven, but now it is a shite hole occupied by scumbags and drug dealers. Match days are the only time to visit the area, and that's because of a heavy police presence. The stadium and everything on the grid will no doubt look great, but it's people that make a nice area, and the people who live in Tottenham are far from nice.
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Bollocks. I've lived in Tottenham for four years now. Never had any trouble.
 
Guido said:
For years I've watched footballers looking very awkward whilst shaking hands or doing any foundation/charity stuff etc...

This bunch seem far more interested and engaged in the work being done.
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Eriksen is awesome. Like you said, most guys will awkwardly shake a hand, ask how they're doing and then move on. Eriksen looked like he was in some type of a Big Brother program with this kid.
 
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