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Broke my heart walking up the High Street seeing all the burnt down buildings and utter carnage..

A big piece of Tottenham was lost during these riots, and I'm not just talking about bricks and mortar..

It's a soulless area these days which is such a shame..
 
Broke my heart walking up the High Street seeing all the burnt down buildings and utter carnage..

A big piece of Tottenham was lost during these riots, and I'm not just talking about bricks and mortar..

It's a soulless area these days which is such a shame..
Plenty of pride still there Billy. I don't see much of them these days but I occasionally meet up with some old mates who still live on Broadwater Farm and neighbouring roads, there is still a very strong community. Actually, it takes something like the riots to bring it closer and tighter but that too might mean the gap between old bill and them is larger not closer.

Derby day is still a day where you see the locals hanging out their windows giving it to the scum as they make their sheepish way down the High Road, always reminds me that their is passion there. If Spurs get it right, pricing, there is a wonderful opportunity of having people feeling connected with a Club that can make them be proud of where they live but most importantly afford to go to a game and be apart of what we feel. Fingers crossed.
 
The football club will play a big part in the regeneration of the area and should carry on the local community activities they have been involved in, especially with the schools and young people.
 
So it's not just the police in America that shoot unarmed black men. I thought your cops didn't carry guns?
I don't know the name given to them nowadays but it was a specialist squad, under cover that was tailing him. Again, different tactics for different situations but it's usually one may be two cars of this unit, so 4-8 who are armed, backed up by couple of other uniformed police who are unarmed. No idea of the actual numbers involved in this situation but basically the numbers that are armed are strategic rather than every officer and in cases like the one that happened they are undercover, so guns are concealed.

On other occasions when it is felt a show of force is needed, like anti-terrorism them their is a uniformed presence that will carry guns openly as they stand outside an airport or something. But for the average copper sat in his bubble of a patrol car etc they are unarmed.
 
This is
Tottenham is our home. It's worth connecting with it.

Good piece here in The Guardian, thought I'd share.


This is an interesting article and thanks for posting it. I still have quite alot of family/family friend s living in Tottenham and they mostly think the regeneration is a good thing. My dad also works in the housing unit in tottenham and said most of the council tenants have been 're housed in the area , with the new developments. I think the long term benefits of regeneration is that the area becomes safer and a nicer place to live. But it then becomes to expensive for most local residents to stay. I work in Hackney and none of my colleagues can afford to buy there!
 
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Who'd have thought a home friendly against Athletic Bilbao would spark such carnage!!

Glad the I β™‘ Tottenham campaign started as a result of this... did a LOT of good for the area... (even if the heart in the logo was red!) I'd have gone for
"I HART Tottenham!
" me'self!
But that's just me.... never happy!
 
I do wonder what impact there might be on the area when Spurs don't play their home matches there for a year. I would think this is going to hit the pubs, fast food shops and match day vans and stalls quite hard. On the plus side, at the end of it there will be a 50% bigger crowd in future, but it might require an understanding bank manager in the interim.
 
I do wonder what impact there might be on the area when Spurs don't play their home matches there for a year. I would think this is going to hit the pubs, fast food shops and match day vans and stalls quite hard. On the plus side, at the end of it there will be a 50% bigger crowd in future, but it might require an understanding bank manager in the interim.

The businesses should lobby Lammy to get a business rates suspension for shops for 12 months - they probably aren't clued up enough to do so though.
 
The businesses should lobby Lammy to get a business rates suspension for shops for 12 months - they probably aren't clued up enough to do so though.
You're probably right. I can imagine a problem might be how big the area that it covered would be, and whether it would apply to all businesses or have some kind of impact test assessment.
 
Broke my heart walking up the High Street seeing all the burnt down buildings and utter carnage..

A big piece of Tottenham was lost during these riots, and I'm not just talking about bricks and mortar..

It's a soulless area these days which is such a shame..
What makes you think it's soulless?

Very subjective, but soulless would be one of the last adjectives I would use. It ain't pretty (except along some parts of the lea) but it's alive. And there is definitely a community spirit here.

Gentrification is definitely an issue where I live in South Tottenham. When I moved in here, 3.5 years ago, I would often be the only white face on my tube carriage beyond Finsbury Park- except on match days of course. Nowadays it's about 50-50, only partly due to a lot of East Europeans in the area, and there's hipster pizza and coffee places, plus the Beehive serving pulled pork and having a yoga night. As the article says, most of the locals get lost in this, I guess most will have to live with their mum until they're fifty or move out of London. North Tottenham still retains its character though.
 
What makes you think it's soulless?

Very subjective, but soulless would be one of the last adjectives I would use. It ain't pretty (except along some parts of the lea) but it's alive. And there is definitely a community spirit here.

Gentrification is definitely an issue where I live in South Tottenham. When I moved in here, 3.5 years ago, I would often be the only white face on my tube carriage beyond Finsbury Park- except on match days of course. Nowadays it's about 50-50, only partly due to a lot of East Europeans in the area, and there's hipster pizza and coffee places, plus the Beehive serving pulled pork and having a yoga night. As the article says, most of the locals get lost in this, I guess most will have to live with their mum until they're fifty or move out of London. North Tottenham still retains its character though.

Thing is with gentrification is it just another process, most of the originally population of Tottenham and many parts of London where pushed out to the home counties after the war and in their place immigrants from the Caribbean, Indian-sub continent and even close to home like Ireland came in.

Now these second or third generation people are being pushed out probably by the hipster grandchildren of many of the original Londoners sent off to the counties in the first place. Tottenham will survive although to see it become trendy is odd.
 
What makes you think it's soulless?

Very subjective, but soulless would be one of the last adjectives I would use. It ain't pretty (except along some parts of the lea) but it's alive. And there is definitely a community spirit here.

Gentrification is definitely an issue where I live in South Tottenham. When I moved in here, 3.5 years ago, I would often be the only white face on my tube carriage beyond Finsbury Park- except on match days of course. Nowadays it's about 50-50, only partly due to a lot of East Europeans in the area, and there's hipster pizza and coffee places, plus the Beehive serving pulled pork and having a yoga night. As the article says, most of the locals get lost in this, I guess most will have to live with their mum until they're fifty or move out of London. North Tottenham still retains its character though.

I was referring to the high road in particular.. I remember as a boy walking up the High Road and many Old Boys would be in their gardens saying "enjoy the game Boy" or asking you what the score was going to be.. Now you walk up the High Road and barely one person could give a toss if there was a match or not. It's nothing like it used to be.
 
I was referring to the high road in particular.. I remember as a boy walking up the High Road and many Old Boys would be in their gardens saying "enjoy the game Boy" or asking you what the score was going to be.. Now you walk up the High Road and barely one person could give a toss if there was a match or not. It's nothing like it used to be.

I would say I get asked the result by a local on the walk back every second game
 
I was referring to the high road in particular.. I remember as a boy walking up the High Road and many Old Boys would be in their gardens saying "enjoy the game Boy" or asking you what the score was going to be.. Now you walk up the High Road and barely one person could give a toss if there was a match or not. It's nothing like it used to be.
I can understand that. I can't imagine it being like that, have never known it.

But there are still plenty of yids who still live in Tottenham, I remember last time we beat the scum, going round to the Park Lane after the game and in the council blocks behind it loads of people had gone out onto the balconies and were joining in with all the songs...was quality. See lots of Spurs shirts etc still around Tottenham, though too many goons as well.
 
Hi everyone, first time poster but very long time lurker. I've been Spurs since Gerry Francis and, at least in my time, Haringey has been in constant flux. I live in Camden and during my visits to Haringey it's been a kaleidescope of cultures and people. However, I'm glad there has been a little gentrification because hipsters/yuppies are usually a way of saving a place from becoming a ghetto. Anyway, I'm an optimist about Tottenham and the last couple of years have been gratifying on and off the pitch.
 
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