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Morning, tame Millwall fan here.

All this allocation stuff is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion.

Whether Spurs give Millwall 1,000 or 4,000 tickets, it makes no difference to the security of the match. Millwall FF has just under 6,000 season ticket holders and another 10,000 or so members. To become a STH or member you have to hand in lots of personal information & a passport photo. This all gets passed onto the Met.

Therefore, no active Millwall hooligan is a season ticket holder or member. If Spurs gave Millwall FC 4,000 tickets (the same as Wycombe Wanderers) then they would all be snapped up by season ticket holders. Not for some hooligan day out, but because it is a big cup game at a big club in a grand old stadium we rarely get to visit.

There will be no trouble inside or outside the stadium from Millwall fans. When we play Charlton we get 3,200 tickets. All go to STHs. Despite the clubs being local rivals there is never any serious disorder, no pitch invasions.

I am also certain that you normal Spurs fans see us as just another small London club. Therefore, this is not like a fierce, historic rivalry like we have with your friends West Ham United. When we play at Upton Park nearly every single one of them is out to get us. This would not be the case at White Hart Lane.

The only reason this fixture is anymore high profile than Spurs v Charlton would be is because of the rivalry between the two firms - as both are the biggest and most active in London. Although, strangely, the last time the two met was when they teamed up at the World Cup in France to take on the Russians, along with Luton & Portsmouth hooligans.

They will meet up whatever, because that is what these serious hooligans do. However, the Millwall firm won't be in the ground. In fact, I think this will be quite a disappointment for the media and curious Spurs fans looking to gawp at the travelling zoo that is the nasty Millwall support. Our fans in the ground will all be normal, everyday people, more Danny Baker & Greg Wallace Millwall fans, than Tamer Hassan & Ian 'Tiny' Garwood Millwall fans.

In fact, it is much more likely that the real herberts on the day, well the ones that normal fans will see (as the hooligans will be off radar somewhere), will be the young lads with silly haircuts and snide designer clothes drinking cheap larger out to throw beer cans at the escort of Millwall fans. It will be a strange scene inside the ground too, as the silly haircut brigade will be spitting insults and threats to office workers and affable electricians etc. from Welling and Bromley.... while our hooligans are miles away.

As for the football, I fear for us. You lot look good and will take it seriously. Also, our record in London derbies is excellent, we often get the better of Chelsea, West Ham, Palace and even Woolwich. Our derby with Charlton is officially the most one-sided in English football. Yet, you lot...you always beat us. In the official head to head record we have beaten you 21 times - but most of those were in our hey day as the leading light of London football, the era where we earned our nickname the 'Lions', replacing 'Dockers'. In more recent times I was at The Den when we were riding high in the old First Division and rarely lost at home, in fact we had just gone unbeaten at home for a whole season for the 5th time a couple of years before, yet you blew us away 5-0.

My prediction for this one...

Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Millwall. Lions take shock lead. Harry to get a hat-trick, but not celebrate. Goes off to a standing ovation from both fans. Spurs fans miffed by how 'normal' the 3,000 Millwall fans are, but on way home log onto social media and read about 'street battles' that they never got to witness.

Spurs go on to win Cup.
 
Morning, tame Millwall fan here.

Therefore, no active Millwall hooligan is a season ticket holder or member. If Spurs gave Millwall FC 4,000 tickets (the same as Wycombe Wanderers) then they would all be snapped up by season ticket holders. Not for some hooligan day out, but because it is a big cup game at a big club in a grand old stadium we rarely get to visit.

There will be no trouble inside or outside the stadium from Millwall fans. When we play Charlton we get 3,200 tickets. All go to STHs. Despite the clubs being local rivals there is never any serious disorder, no pitch invasions.

I am also certain that you normal Spurs fans see us as just another small London club. Therefore, this is not like a fierce, historic rivalry like we have with your friends West Ham United. When we play at Upton Park nearly every single one of them is out to get us. This would not be the case at White Hart Lane.

The only reason this fixture is anymore high profile than Spurs v Charlton would be is because of the rivalry between the two firms - as both are the biggest and most active in London. Although, strangely, the last time the two met was when they teamed up at the World Cup in France to take on the Russians, along with Luton & Portsmouth hooligans.

They will meet up whatever, because that is what these serious hooligans do. However, the Millwall firm won't be in the ground. In fact, I think this will be quite a disappointment for the media and curious Spurs fans looking to gawp at the travelling zoo that is the nasty Millwall support. Our fans in the ground will all be normal, everyday people, more Danny Baker & Greg Wallace Millwall fans, than Tamer Hassan & Ian 'Tiny' Garwood Millwall fans.

In fact, it is much more likely that the real herberts on the day, well the ones that normal fans will see (as the hooligans will be off radar somewhere), will be the young lads with silly haircuts and snide designer clothes drinking cheap larger out to throw beer cans at the escort of Millwall fans. It will be a strange scene inside the ground too, as the silly haircut brigade will be spitting insults and threats to office workers and affable electricians etc. from Welling and Bromley.... while our hooligans are miles away.

As for the football, I fear for us. You lot look good and will take it seriously. Also, our record in London derbies is excellent, we often get the better of Chelsea, West Ham, Palace and even Woolwich. Our derby with Charlton is officially the most one-sided in English football. Yet, you lot...you always beat us. In the official head to head record we have beaten you 21 times - but most of those were in our hey day as the leading light of London football, the era where we earned our nickname the 'Lions', replacing 'Dockers'. In more recent times I was at The Den when we were riding high in the old First Division and rarely lost at home, in fact we had just gone unbeaten at home for a whole season for the 5th time a couple of years before, yet you blew us away 5-0.

My prediction for this one...

Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Millwall. Lions take shock lead. Harry to get a hat-trick, but not celebrate. Goes off to a standing ovation from both fans. Spurs fans miffed by how 'normal' the 3,000 Millwall fans are, but on way home log onto social media and read about 'street battles' that they never got to witness.

Spurs go on to win Cup.
Dammit... a rational, fair-minded, honest perspective... without any hint of irony, sarcasm or 'faux-hooligan'...

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Morning, tame Millwall fan here.

All this allocation stuff is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion.

Whether Spurs give Millwall 1,000 or 4,000 tickets, it makes no difference to the security of the match. Millwall FF has just under 6,000 season ticket holders and another 10,000 or so members. To become a STH or member you have to hand in lots of personal information & a passport photo. This all gets passed onto the Met.

Therefore, no active Millwall hooligan is a season ticket holder or member. If Spurs gave Millwall FC 4,000 tickets (the same as Wycombe Wanderers) then they would all be snapped up by season ticket holders. Not for some hooligan day out, but because it is a big cup game at a big club in a grand old stadium we rarely get to visit.

There will be no trouble inside or outside the stadium from Millwall fans. When we play Charlton we get 3,200 tickets. All go to STHs. Despite the clubs being local rivals there is never any serious disorder, no pitch invasions.

I am also certain that you normal Spurs fans see us as just another small London club. Therefore, this is not like a fierce, historic rivalry like we have with your friends West Ham United. When we play at Upton Park nearly every single one of them is out to get us. This would not be the case at White Hart Lane.

The only reason this fixture is anymore high profile than Spurs v Charlton would be is because of the rivalry between the two firms - as both are the biggest and most active in London. Although, strangely, the last time the two met was when they teamed up at the World Cup in France to take on the Russians, along with Luton & Portsmouth hooligans.

They will meet up whatever, because that is what these serious hooligans do. However, the Millwall firm won't be in the ground. In fact, I think this will be quite a disappointment for the media and curious Spurs fans looking to gawp at the travelling zoo that is the nasty Millwall support. Our fans in the ground will all be normal, everyday people, more Danny Baker & Greg Wallace Millwall fans, than Tamer Hassan & Ian 'Tiny' Garwood Millwall fans.

In fact, it is much more likely that the real herberts on the day, well the ones that normal fans will see (as the hooligans will be off radar somewhere), will be the young lads with silly haircuts and snide designer clothes drinking cheap larger out to throw beer cans at the escort of Millwall fans. It will be a strange scene inside the ground too, as the silly haircut brigade will be spitting insults and threats to office workers and affable electricians etc. from Welling and Bromley.... while our hooligans are miles away.

As for the football, I fear for us. You lot look good and will take it seriously. Also, our record in London derbies is excellent, we often get the better of Chelsea, West Ham, Palace and even Woolwich. Our derby with Charlton is officially the most one-sided in English football. Yet, you lot...you always beat us. In the official head to head record we have beaten you 21 times - but most of those were in our hey day as the leading light of London football, the era where we earned our nickname the 'Lions', replacing 'Dockers'. In more recent times I was at The Den when we were riding high in the old First Division and rarely lost at home, in fact we had just gone unbeaten at home for a whole season for the 5th time a couple of years before, yet you blew us away 5-0.

My prediction for this one...

Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Millwall. Lions take shock lead. Harry to get a hat-trick, but not celebrate. Goes off to a standing ovation from both fans. Spurs fans miffed by how 'normal' the 3,000 Millwall fans are, but on way home log onto social media and read about 'street battles' that they never got to witness.

Spurs go on to win Cup.

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Morning, tame Millwall fan here.

All this allocation stuff is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion.

Whether Spurs give Millwall 1,000 or 4,000 tickets, it makes no difference to the security of the match. Millwall FF has just under 6,000 season ticket holders and another 10,000 or so members. To become a STH or member you have to hand in lots of personal information & a passport photo. This all gets passed onto the Met.

Therefore, no active Millwall hooligan is a season ticket holder or member. If Spurs gave Millwall FC 4,000 tickets (the same as Wycombe Wanderers) then they would all be snapped up by season ticket holders. Not for some hooligan day out, but because it is a big cup game at a big club in a grand old stadium we rarely get to visit.

There will be no trouble inside or outside the stadium from Millwall fans. When we play Charlton we get 3,200 tickets. All go to STHs. Despite the clubs being local rivals there is never any serious disorder, no pitch invasions.

I am also certain that you normal Spurs fans see us as just another small London club. Therefore, this is not like a fierce, historic rivalry like we have with your friends West Ham United. When we play at Upton Park nearly every single one of them is out to get us. This would not be the case at White Hart Lane.

The only reason this fixture is anymore high profile than Spurs v Charlton would be is because of the rivalry between the two firms - as both are the biggest and most active in London. Although, strangely, the last time the two met was when they teamed up at the World Cup in France to take on the Russians, along with Luton & Portsmouth hooligans.

They will meet up whatever, because that is what these serious hooligans do. However, the Millwall firm won't be in the ground. In fact, I think this will be quite a disappointment for the media and curious Spurs fans looking to gawp at the travelling zoo that is the nasty Millwall support. Our fans in the ground will all be normal, everyday people, more Danny Baker & Greg Wallace Millwall fans, than Tamer Hassan & Ian 'Tiny' Garwood Millwall fans.

In fact, it is much more likely that the real herberts on the day, well the ones that normal fans will see (as the hooligans will be off radar somewhere), will be the young lads with silly haircuts and snide designer clothes drinking cheap larger out to throw beer cans at the escort of Millwall fans. It will be a strange scene inside the ground too, as the silly haircut brigade will be spitting insults and threats to office workers and affable electricians etc. from Welling and Bromley.... while our hooligans are miles away.

As for the football, I fear for us. You lot look good and will take it seriously. Also, our record in London derbies is excellent, we often get the better of Chelsea, West Ham, Palace and even Woolwich. Our derby with Charlton is officially the most one-sided in English football. Yet, you lot...you always beat us. In the official head to head record we have beaten you 21 times - but most of those were in our hey day as the leading light of London football, the era where we earned our nickname the 'Lions', replacing 'Dockers'. In more recent times I was at The Den when we were riding high in the old First Division and rarely lost at home, in fact we had just gone unbeaten at home for a whole season for the 5th time a couple of years before, yet you blew us away 5-0.

My prediction for this one...

Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Millwall. Lions take shock lead. Harry to get a hat-trick, but not celebrate. Goes off to a standing ovation from both fans. Spurs fans miffed by how 'normal' the 3,000 Millwall fans are, but on way home log onto social media and read about 'street battles' that they never got to witness.

Spurs go on to win Cup.

Good post. Silly thing is although I have been one of the most vociferous about the allocation I have, on this board and others, been a defender of 'normal' Millwall fans having lived in the catchment area for 5-6 years.

Also my nephew played for your academy for 10 years so got to know a few of yours that way.

What put some of our backs up is your forums which within minutes of the draw were posting how much carnage they were going to cause both inside and out.

And then wondered why Spurs were considering a reduced allocation.
 
Millwall like to take the piss. It is all playing up for the lurkers on those messageboards.

Ever been to the USA or a posh do and talked a bit more 'cockney' to play to the crowd...I know I used to make sure I said morning 'gels' when talking to the posh totty at University...it is a bit like that.
 
The comparison of allocation with Emirates isn't really fair in this case. Even with 15% at the gooners, there would still be more than enough seats for their home fans to attend a big fixture like that. I mean they don't even sell out their own ground most games anyway.

At whl we are already operating at reduced capacity and on top of that it's our last ever fa cup game at the old ground. Therefore it makes sense to give the highest possible opportunity for our home fans to attend
 
Millwall like to take the piss. It is all playing up for the lurkers on those messageboards.

Ever been to the USA or a posh do and talked a bit more 'cockney' to play to the crowd...I know I used to make sure I said morning 'gels' when talking to the posh totty at University...it is a bit like that.

Or more 'Mockney' even for you North Kent boys ;-)
 
Morning, tame Millwall fan here.

All this allocation stuff is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion.

Whether Spurs give Millwall 1,000 or 4,000 tickets, it makes no difference to the security of the match. Millwall FF has just under 6,000 season ticket holders and another 10,000 or so members. To become a STH or member you have to hand in lots of personal information & a passport photo. This all gets passed onto the Met.

Therefore, no active Millwall hooligan is a season ticket holder or member. If Spurs gave Millwall FC 4,000 tickets (the same as Wycombe Wanderers) then they would all be snapped up by season ticket holders. Not for some hooligan day out, but because it is a big cup game at a big club in a grand old stadium we rarely get to visit.

There will be no trouble inside or outside the stadium from Millwall fans. When we play Charlton we get 3,200 tickets. All go to STHs. Despite the clubs being local rivals there is never any serious disorder, no pitch invasions.

I am also certain that you normal Spurs fans see us as just another small London club. Therefore, this is not like a fierce, historic rivalry like we have with your friends West Ham United. When we play at Upton Park nearly every single one of them is out to get us. This would not be the case at White Hart Lane.

The only reason this fixture is anymore high profile than Spurs v Charlton would be is because of the rivalry between the two firms - as both are the biggest and most active in London. Although, strangely, the last time the two met was when they teamed up at the World Cup in France to take on the Russians, along with Luton & Portsmouth hooligans.

They will meet up whatever, because that is what these serious hooligans do. However, the Millwall firm won't be in the ground. In fact, I think this will be quite a disappointment for the media and curious Spurs fans looking to gawp at the travelling zoo that is the nasty Millwall support. Our fans in the ground will all be normal, everyday people, more Danny Baker & Greg Wallace Millwall fans, than Tamer Hassan & Ian 'Tiny' Garwood Millwall fans.

In fact, it is much more likely that the real herberts on the day, well the ones that normal fans will see (as the hooligans will be off radar somewhere), will be the young lads with silly haircuts and snide designer clothes drinking cheap larger out to throw beer cans at the escort of Millwall fans. It will be a strange scene inside the ground too, as the silly haircut brigade will be spitting insults and threats to office workers and affable electricians etc. from Welling and Bromley.... while our hooligans are miles away.

As for the football, I fear for us. You lot look good and will take it seriously. Also, our record in London derbies is excellent, we often get the better of Chelsea, West Ham, Palace and even Woolwich. Our derby with Charlton is officially the most one-sided in English football. Yet, you lot...you always beat us. In the official head to head record we have beaten you 21 times - but most of those were in our hey day as the leading light of London football, the era where we earned our nickname the 'Lions', replacing 'Dockers'. In more recent times I was at The Den when we were riding high in the old First Division and rarely lost at home, in fact we had just gone unbeaten at home for a whole season for the 5th time a couple of years before, yet you blew us away 5-0.

My prediction for this one...

Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Millwall. Lions take shock lead. Harry to get a hat-trick, but not celebrate. Goes off to a standing ovation from both fans. Spurs fans miffed by how 'normal' the 3,000 Millwall fans are, but on way home log onto social media and read about 'street battles' that they never got to witness.

Spurs go on to win Cup.
Welcome mate.
Whatever the allocation outcome,i hope its an edgy tie full of old school atmosphere,but trouble free.
Never had a problem with the lions ,due mainly to the fact you hate a certain team as much as i do.
Got a few Wall mates as well.
Good luck with the rest of the season...Just not the cup game ;)
 
The comparison of allocation with Emirates isn't really fair in this case. Even with 15% at the gooners, there would still be more than enough seats for their home fans to attend a big fixture like that. I mean they don't even sell out their own ground most games anyway.

At whl we are already operating at reduced capacity and on top of that it's our last ever fa cup game at the old ground. Therefore it makes sense to give the highest possible opportunity for our home fans to attend

Wall had 9k last night - 4 days after beating the Champions of England. As you say, why should Spurs fans be denied the opportunity to attend?
 
Wall had 9k last night - 4 days after beating the Champions of England. As you say, why should Spurs fans be denied the opportunity to attend?

That's pretty good for the most unfashionable club in England, 7th in the 3rd tier, who have never had any sustained success, with higher season ticket prices than west ham, against bottom of the table Chesterfield on a Tuesday night in February, Champions League night, who brought 100 fans...it was also our 4th home game in a row!

But, I do agree with your overall point.
 
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It is worth pointing out that with the reduced capacity and allowing for circa 3k away fans we generally have 5.5k tickets available for our members. We have 94k of those. Ergo, a 4.8k allocation for Millwall means 94k members will be trying to get their hands on 3.7k tickets (assuming ST holders buy their seat for this game).
 
Lewis1885 Lewis1885

It is worth pointing out that with the reduced capacity and allowing for circa 3k away fans we generally have 5.5k tickets available for our members. We have 94k of those. Ergo, a 4.8k allocation for Millwall means 94k members will be trying to get their hands on 3.7k tickets (assuming ST holders buy their seat for this game).

I have no problem with Spurs looking after their fans first and foremost. My issue is that this reduced allocation to prevent trouble is a red herring.

I think it is the Met and maybe the club getting their excuses in early. That is to say, if the serious hooligans meet up and cause trouble then at least it looks like the police & club did something to stop it.

The football intelligence people know full well that a 4,000 allocation would only go to Millwall season ticket holders. Maybe if we were going to Woolwich or Chelsea and getting 9,000 odd then it would be an issue, but at 4,000 30% of our season ticket holders will miss out, let alone there being enough spares for 500 hooligans.

This is an operation in covering their backs.

Or, it would be nice if they just came out and said that they want to increase capacity for home fans, as this is the last ever cup tie at WHL. Rather than giving the media another opportunity to make out will a horde of Vikings that need to be contained.

Ironically, we were due to play Sheffield United the weekend we face you. About 1,500 Millwall fans would go to that one & they would be 100 times the risk that the 4,000 who would get tickets for Spurs would be!
 
Give them the full 4000, or close to it. It's unfair not to... but put walls of police around them in the ground (especially to protect our wheelchair-bound fans unfortunate enough to be sitting in front of them in the SW corner). Barriers/netting blocking at least 10 seats between them and us. Barriers/netting blocking the front 3 rows to make a pitch invasion harder.

Home tickets to be done on loyalty points. Easy.
 
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