Does anyone know if Pape Sarr will eventually count as Homegrown?
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Not for Europe, maybe for the PL.
No never.
do b 14/9/2002 so never able to fit in 3 years at Spurs before age of 21 let alone loan to Metz
Vuskovic comes at 16 he can be homegrown by the time he makes the 1st team?
yeah can become HG and club trained, CT even if he joins at 18
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He might actually count as home grown technically.
They need 3 seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday (or season they turn 21).
His birthday is 14th september according to wiki. He signed for us August 2021 and was loaned out for the season. This would still class him as affiliated to our club.
2021-22
2022-23
2023-24 Turns 21 this season so still counts
They need 3 seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday (or season they turn 21).
His birthday is 14th september according to wiki. He signed for us August 2021 and was loaned out for the season. This would still class him as affiliated to our club.
2021-22
2022-23
2023-24 Turns 21 this season so still counts
Veliz will still be u21 and won't need to be registered.
Yeah, Sarr can be HG for Prem because he will have been registered for us for 3 seasons before the end of the season he turns 21 (this season being his 3rd, was still registered with us when he was loaned to Metz)
Could never have been association or club-trained for UEFA even if we didn't loan him because the season had already started when we signed him so he would have missed the 3 seasons needed. UEFA counts from the first game to the last game of a season whereas Prem rules count from the end of the summer window to the end of the season
Yeah it's ridiculous
Add to this that the PL and Fifa have one way of determining injury time and Uefa another
Add to this that there are countries in Uefa (Turkey, Russia, probably soon Saudi) that have transfer windows that run beyond Uefa's deadline
FIFA, as the governing body of world football, should set the rules and all other associations should have to follow them.
Would be entirely sensible....if they were fit for purpose
Unfortunately they can't be trusted to do the right thing, so eventually there'd just be a stronger case for breakaways
I’m still baffled as Dier who is English doesn’t count as home grown (I know he come through the system in Portugal) but Saliba does through a loophole. He didn’t play in England at all, they loaned him out after registering him in the squad.
If Sarr is HG in PL next season (and if Saliba can become HG after 3 years of loans in France Premier League homegrown debuts 2022/23 then Sarr can despite what the rules appear to say including 'players can only be registered at one club' and 'a loan is a temporary transfer') then we are well set for PL next season with likely Maddison, Johnson and Sarr as HG in PL, with possibilities of Forster and/or Davies , plus of course Austin (3rd GK) and Skipp making up 7 of our minimum 8 HG players required to have a full 25 man squad in PL next season
The title of the thread possibly needs renaming to ''The Club Trained Player dilemma'' as its where we play in Europe where we have an issue with our current 2 Club Trained players being Skipp and Austin rather than a minimum 4 players for a UEFA squad.
The answer of course, since we cannot buy a Club Trained Player (unless we have sold them eg Dennis Cirkin) is Ange helping develop them with others helping arrange the loans to give them experience. I'm hoping Alfie Devine will be the first of those next 'Club Trained Players' for 2024/25 season.
We have a number of players who might catch Ange eye to develop, just need the development to happen !
The title of the thread possibly needs renaming to ''The Club Trained Player dilemma'' as its where we play in Europe where we have an issue with our current 2 Club Trained players being Skipp and Austin rather than a minimum 4 players for a UEFA squad.
The answer of course, since we cannot buy a Club Trained Player (unless we have sold them eg Dennis Cirkin) is Ange helping develop them with others helping arrange the loans to give them experience. I'm hoping Alfie Devine will be the first of those next 'Club Trained Players' for 2024/25 season.
We have a number of players who might catch Ange eye to develop, just need the development to happen !
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Thought I would do this quickly to give an idea of what we might need or how many spaces there could be. Hopefully not missed anyone. This is players with contracts that go beyond this summer so including players that we know will likely not be here next season. Hopefully useful...
2024/25 UEFA
List A:
Max squad size: 25
Max non-club trained players: 21
Max overseas players: 17
List B: (Players born after Jan 2003 that have been at club for 2 years or 3 years with a 1 year loan): Unlimited number
List A: Possible club trained (~4)
Skipp
Whiteman
Tanganga
Parrott
Robson
Austin*
Notes: Austin's contract expires but rumours it could be extended. Possible buyback clause on Cirkin expiring early in summer. Rumoured links to a Walker-Peters return. Could see likes of Tanganga and Parrott being sold.
List A: Non-club trained, non-overseas (~4)
Forster
Davies
Sessegnon
Maddison
Johnson
Rodon
Spence
Phillips
Soonsup-Bell
Lankshear
Notes: Likely a few of these sold or loaned again. Phillips and Soonsup-Bell not been here long enough to be on list B but could be loaned out next season. Lankshear also just missed out because we signed him after the season started but could go on list B in Jan.
List A: Overseas (max 17)
Son
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso
Bentancur
Bissouma
Emerson Royal
Gil
Romero
Richarlison
Vicario
Solomon
Kulusevski
Porro
van de Ven
Veliz
Udogie
Dragusin
Sarr
Ndombele
Reguilon
Keeley
Bergvall
Notes: Likely a few of these sold or loaned again. Keeley, Veliz and Bergvall not been at club long enough for list B and bought from overseas clubs. Sarr only HG for Prem because we signed him after the start of the UEFA season.
List B: (unlimited)
Devine
Scarlett
Donley
Dorrington
Santiago
Craig
Gunter
Moore
Hall
Olusesi
Black
etc.
2024/25 UEFA
List A:
Max squad size: 25
Max non-club trained players: 21
Max overseas players: 17
List B: (Players born after Jan 2003 that have been at club for 2 years or 3 years with a 1 year loan): Unlimited number
List A: Possible club trained (~4)
Skipp
Whiteman
Tanganga
Parrott
Robson
Austin*
Notes: Austin's contract expires but rumours it could be extended. Possible buyback clause on Cirkin expiring early in summer. Rumoured links to a Walker-Peters return. Could see likes of Tanganga and Parrott being sold.
List A: Non-club trained, non-overseas (~4)
Forster
Davies
Sessegnon
Maddison
Johnson
Rodon
Spence
Phillips
Soonsup-Bell
Lankshear
Notes: Likely a few of these sold or loaned again. Phillips and Soonsup-Bell not been here long enough to be on list B but could be loaned out next season. Lankshear also just missed out because we signed him after the season started but could go on list B in Jan.
List A: Overseas (max 17)
Son
Hojbjerg
Lo Celso
Bentancur
Bissouma
Emerson Royal
Gil
Romero
Richarlison
Vicario
Solomon
Kulusevski
Porro
van de Ven
Veliz
Udogie
Dragusin
Sarr
Ndombele
Reguilon
Keeley
Bergvall
Notes: Likely a few of these sold or loaned again. Keeley, Veliz and Bergvall not been at club long enough for list B and bought from overseas clubs. Sarr only HG for Prem because we signed him after the start of the UEFA season.
List B: (unlimited)
Devine
Scarlett
Donley
Dorrington
Santiago
Craig
Gunter
Moore
Hall
Olusesi
Black
etc.
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Great post
Football Chap
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EPL classifies all players U21 if they are literally U21.
UEFA does not classify bought players as U21 until they have been at the club for 3 seasons.
So if we had been in Europe this season then Veliz and Dragusin would have been U21 for EPL but NHG for UEFA.
And next season in the unlikely event that Vuskovic returned to Spurs both he and Veliz would be classified as U21 for EPL games but would be included in the NHG list for UEFA games.
I will caveat all my posts in this thread as subject to scrutiny!
Football Chap
.EPL classifies all players U21 if they are literally U21.
UEFA does not classify bought players as U21 until they have been at the club for 3 seasons.
So if we had been in Europe this season then Veliz and Dragusin would have been U21 for EPL but NHG for UEFA.
And next season in the unlikely event that Vuskovic returned to Spurs both he and Veliz would be classified as U21 for EPL games but would be included in the NHG list for UEFA games.
I will caveat all my posts in this thread as subject to scrutiny!
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