Olympiacos vs Tottenham Hotspur (18th September @ 17:55)

[Spaniel]

Last season Moura made 32 appearances which would have been 2880 minutes for full games but he only did 2128 minutes (your figure not mine). 2128 minutes equates to just over 23.5 matches. In that time he scored 10 goals. Having appeared 32 times but only actually playing for total of 23.5 games in real time would suggest he was a substitute on quite a few occasions....not a bad goal haul considering.

Sorry to persist but I found your description of him unnecessarily insultive. Give the guy a fair crack of the whip and see how he performs, maybe afterwards I will agree with you. Time will tell if Poch just gives him some though.

Plus he scored a cracker in Athens.

 

[Spaniel]

"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music"

Mr. Nietzsche.... you're obviously a fan.

 

[bus-conductor]

Many thanks for that....I have just managed to find these figures...

Lucas Moura Statistics | Premier League

View stats of Tottenham Hotspur Forward Lucas Moura, including goals scored, assists and appearances, on the official website of the Premier League.

www.premierleague.com

Son Heung-Min Statistics | Premier League

View stats of Tottenham Hotspur Forward Son Heung-Min, including goals scored, assists and appearances, on the official website of the Premier League.

www.premierleague.com

Be interesting to see how many minutes Eriksen played in his 35 appearances and 8 goals.

2772. And he also got 12 assists and created more chances per game than Moura and Son combined, as well as getting through more ball per game than Moura and Son combined.

 

[bus-conductor]

Statistics are rather like finances, the figures can be 'massaged' to suit whatever you wish them to as you and I both know.

This is a bullshit hackneyed cliche. Statistics don't ever lie, or are swayed by bias, unlike human emotions and opinions. But stats of course always need contextualising.

Thanks for that. I'm afraid I honestly cannot see how you can compare possession/chances created and assists for Eriksen who is a 'creative midfielder' and recognised forward attacking players. Harry Kane only had 4 assists last season for example but managed 17 goals in 28 appearances.

Attacking players like Kane, Moura and Son will be engaged in direct confrontation with the opposing defence in an attempt to break through so may well lose possession quite a bit when getting tackled . In short, it is impossible to compare game statistics for a player unless also comparing matching positions/similar roles.

The fact that Eriksen played a deeper midfield role, which involved getting through far more of the ball in build up, rather than in forward areas, should make it harder for him to assist and score, despite this he still managed to score/assist combined twice as much as Moura, despite Moura playing entirely in attacking areas, and he played 14 times as ARM/ALM - and still managed 0 assists.

I'm not saying they are similar players, or even that they play identical roles or positions often (but they have both played AM). Moura spent plenty of minutes as an AM. Part of that remit, part of any forward players remit is to create for others as well as get on the end of others creation. Moura cremates very little for anyone else. If he was a goal a game striker, that would be a payoff. But he isn't. Moura scored in 7 of his 25 starts.

Eriksen on the other hand contributes productively, creatively, scoring and assisting as well as doing a midfield job and all the extra work that involves and does this much more consistently and has for 5 years.

That's the context. That's why I don't understand the massive criticism of Eriksen yet you holding Moura in higher regard and not getting so angry about his contribution as Eriksen's, unless this is being led by emotion, not rationality.

Let's see what happens tomorrow, does Poch pick him to start and if he does how does he perform. He may well be Man Of The Match but equally he could be Dick Of The Week. All depends who turns up..Jekyll or Hyde.

Again, all the unbiased evidenced suggests Moura is more likely to win the latter and Eriksen the former, if we extract emotion and hurt feelings from the equation.

 

[Borodin55]

This is a bullshit hackneyed cliche. Statistics don't ever lie, or are swayed by bias, unlike human emotions and opinions. But stats of course always need contextualising.



The fact that Eriksen played a deeper midfield role, which involved getting through far more of the ball in build up, rather than in forward areas, should make it harder for him to assist and score, despite this he still managed to score/assist combined twice as much as Moura, despite Moura playing entirely in attacking areas, and he played 14 times as ARM/ALM - and still managed 0 assists.

I'm not saying they are similar players, or even that they play identical roles or positions often (but they have both played AM). Moura spent plenty of minutes as an AM. Part of that remit, part of any forward players remit is to create for others as well as get on the end of others creation. Moura cremates very little for anyone else. If he was a goal a game striker, that would be a payoff. But he isn't. Moura scored in 7 of his 25 starts.

Eriksen on the other hand contributes productively, creatively, scoring and assisting as well as doing a midfield job and all the extra work that involves and does this much more consistently and has for 5 years.

That's the context. That's why I don't understand the massive criticism of Eriksen yet you holding Moura in higher regard and not getting so angry about his contribution as Eriksen's, unless this is being led by emotion, not rationality.



Again, all the unbiased evidenced suggests Moura is more likely to win the latter and Eriksen the former, if we extract emotion and hurt feelings from the equation.

Don't ever go horseracing.... favourites don't always win no matter how much more likely they are to......lets leave it at that. I am neither emotive or hurt about it I assure you.

 

[Borodin55]

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