Ok - thanks for the reply. I think if we had run less in that game we would probably have lost by more than 1. All I'm saying is if you keep the ball well, and use possession with skill and intelligence, you will run less than the opposition. It shouldn't be a jerk off purely on distance run.
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That's a thing of beauty. As soon as he takes his first touch he's got nowhere to go.
Ok, we disagree on this - no big deal.
One thing I notice about this stat (for last season obviously) is apart from the most energetic side getting relegated, is that neither us, nor 2 out of the top 4 figure in it. It's great and all that but it's a long way from the whole story.
Running stats in isolation doesn't tell the story of who dominates a game. The runners runners up team, Man City, was also the team with the second highest possession in the league in 2014/15, while the top runners had the second lower possession average.
Thus we can conclude that your general assumption that teams that are being dominated runs more than those who dominate.
I think the point is, the way Poch wants to play is going to correlate with a lot of ground covered. That number backs up what we saw with our eyes, which was a very fit team making life difficult for United for 90 minutes.
Not sure I understand that bit, but I admit, it is a general assumption. Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that the team without the ball will do more running?
Purely on distance run, I agree. But for me, seeing what I saw on Saturday, and thinking I know that running is essential for us to succeed, it's nice to see that we seem to have players who really put in a shift.
I was afraid that I had witnessed a shit United side get a lucky win against a slightly less shitty Spurs side (me being influenced by the negative posters on these boards), but these running numbers indicates that we made United look bad. That's a good quality to bring with us through the season.
Because if it truly was that simple, City, the team with the second highest average possession throughout the season, wouldn't have also been second in the running charts.
Absolutely - but Utd might have been undercooked - 1 game isn't enough to go on. Look I'm not knocking our supposed fitness, more the reliance of these stats to prove that we were better than them - we weren't.
I didn't say it was that simple - I admitted that it was a general assumption - but that's a fair point.
Only one stat has any significance: 1-0.
That's not how I see football.
Fair enough - but you have 90 minutes to solve a problem, and if you don't solve it you've failed. It's nice to talk about the bigger picture, but that's all it is - you have to do it on the day or else you spend the entire season talking in platitudes.
The record books will record our first game of the season as a plucky but unsurprising 1-0 loss. The manner of the defeat will soon be forgotten by everyone but Tottenham fans. In reality, we didn't do anything like enough to win the match. A draw wouldn't have flattered us though.
Seizing on stats in an attempt to deflect attention from our almost total reliance on three players to score a goal seems self defeating to me. If Kane, Eriksen or Chadli fail to score, so doTottenham.
Hopefully that's all about to change.
Scoring goals is key to football mate I'll have to disagree slightly with you there.
I'm a bit on the fence here. I kinda get what all of you (Joe/Sammy with us not quite being good enough, Jay with the pressing / off the ball stuff) are saying. I think we were easily good enough to get a result but didn't take the chances we did create. We were good enough because we did all the hard work without the ball to stop United. Yet we didn't take our chances so in that area of play, we didn't do enough. Overall balance, a draw would probably have been deemed a 'fair' result, but then the game isn't fair.
Oh who gives a fuck, we lost and need to move on and get some wins on the board before the end of the month.
Yes of course. All I was trying to say was that trying to get the ball back wasn't - you can't score unless you have the ball - unless you're Utd....
And so it goes, and so it goes, and so it goes, and so it goes. Where it goes next, nobody knows.It is if you haven't got the ball....
What a shambles. We ran more. Yippde fucking dee.
Arse had 62% possession and 22 shots to West Hams 8.
Id think they were a sad bunch of idiots if they tried to make out they had a better afternoon cos of that though.
Fuck me
Arse had 62% possession and 22 shots to West Hams 8.
Id think they were a sad bunch of idiots if they tried to make out they had a better afternoon cos of that though.
Fuck me
Wait till Stoke run about more than us and they win 3-0. I'll have to eat my words then.