Totally agree! Every game is the same. Oppo finds players in space in our half and can turn and then pick a pass. However when we have the ball city get their players back but close down every avenue and wevpiss around with the ball for a bit then give it to dier to hit long. Lose poccession and don’t see the ball again. How comes they can get players behind the ball and not let us get into their pen box yet time and again they get into ours? Same thing happened with pool.
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Its really simple, we have a terrible back four. The only way to get results with that back four (take your pick any 4 from 8, perhaps with the exception of reguilon) is to drop sissoko and PEH back to support the full backs and sit whats left deep as a four in front of them.
This is incredibly hard to break down, and the greatest threat comes from self inflicted fuck ups and set pieces. It also depends on us (well kane and son really) scoring on the break. Playing like this took us to the top of the league.
Trouble is we invariably did contribute terrible mistakes. Teams soon learned that if they take the front two (Kane especially) out of the game, and we wont score. If we go behind, it is a team ill equipped to attack, and that will inevitably expose out back four, only now without the massed ranks of protection it needs.
But even worse - it was hideously soul destroying to watch. We could stomach it against City, but lesser teams? Eventually even the most ardent JM fans demanded a more progressoughive approach. TBF he has tried, it has led to the current shit show.
There's only one solution. Get a better back four. Much better, especially the centre backs. The problem with that is who? We cant afford any top class ones. we'll go for 2nd class ones at best. Or just take random punts on players like Rodon hoping that they come good. Although given the amount we spent on Sanchez maybe the cheap punt is the way to go. But this team will continue to fail until its resolved.
I am convinced that the rest of the team isn't in bad shape. PEH, N'dombele, (skipp possibly) GLC, Son, Kane, Bergwien (although i'm not convinced) has enough talent to get us in the top four no problem. But not while they have to spend the entire game worrying about the clown show behind them.
JM is clearly out of ideas. he is now just trying any combo he can think of hoping something vaguely effective will turn up.
I know this isn't revolutionary. We all know whats wrong. I just feel a little better for venting.
This is incredibly hard to break down, and the greatest threat comes from self inflicted fuck ups and set pieces. It also depends on us (well kane and son really) scoring on the break. Playing like this took us to the top of the league.
Trouble is we invariably did contribute terrible mistakes. Teams soon learned that if they take the front two (Kane especially) out of the game, and we wont score. If we go behind, it is a team ill equipped to attack, and that will inevitably expose out back four, only now without the massed ranks of protection it needs.
But even worse - it was hideously soul destroying to watch. We could stomach it against City, but lesser teams? Eventually even the most ardent JM fans demanded a more progressoughive approach. TBF he has tried, it has led to the current shit show.
There's only one solution. Get a better back four. Much better, especially the centre backs. The problem with that is who? We cant afford any top class ones. we'll go for 2nd class ones at best. Or just take random punts on players like Rodon hoping that they come good. Although given the amount we spent on Sanchez maybe the cheap punt is the way to go. But this team will continue to fail until its resolved.
I am convinced that the rest of the team isn't in bad shape. PEH, N'dombele, (skipp possibly) GLC, Son, Kane, Bergwien (although i'm not convinced) has enough talent to get us in the top four no problem. But not while they have to spend the entire game worrying about the clown show behind them.
JM is clearly out of ideas. he is now just trying any combo he can think of hoping something vaguely effective will turn up.
I know this isn't revolutionary. We all know whats wrong. I just feel a little better for venting.
The balls now are lighter and move in the air so putting an arm or hand on it is about as good as you can get because catching it is far more difficult, but I'd agree Lloris seems to be going through a tough time at the moment.
Well no he didn't. The chairman did. Probably isn't even a player poch wanted.
I agree but right now that's not going to happen so what you do is defend from the front. I actually think we defend better then it's end to end. When we sit there bent over asking to get fucked we usually do. If we could get the press back all over the pitch then we'll do much better. Individual mistakes will still happen with this defence but we might actually score a few more then we concede. Keep the defence the same. For me it has to be roden and Toby center backs.
Understudy came on and was crap.
I think the back four is a huge part of the problem. We're really missing that prime Toby/Jan partnership we had. I'm convinced that if we had a set of defenders we could trust the rest of the team wouldn't need to sit deep or drop back to protect them. Our CBs just aren't good enough.
I don't think the chopping and changing is helping either, I think we need to pick a CB partnership and stick with it for a few games to give them a chance to build a working relationship. I've been quite impressed with Rodon from what I've seen of him so I'd wouldn't mind giving him a run of a few games perhaps alongside Toby. I know Toby is on the decline though so we need to be looking at a long term replacement for him this summer.
Exactly!
Give the bastards an untreated brown leather bastard with a lace in it, that weighs the same as a Ford Anglia by half time and if you head it, you look like you just challenged Gregor Clegane to a skull crushing competition
Fuck it, bring back hanging and rickets while we're at it!
I might be a bit pissed off and irrational at our current form and results......
Something I noticed was that anytime someone thought about going to press a centre back or FB they turned to check if they were being backed up and supported.
That tells me that Mourinho is NOT coaching this as a 1st line tactic. I suspect players are confused as to what is expected of them at what phase of play.
Where's Airfixx when you need him?
Remember Peter Baker?
Then levy the master business man is a fuck wit to agree to that bullshit........
I agree with this. Our back four is constantly being reshuffled every match, injuries and suspensions aside, without a settled back four no partnerships or understandings on how to defend as a unit will develop.
It would be interesting to see how much we have rotated our back four compared to the other teams in the top half of the table.
Were there cyanide pills with a cockerel on?
Chopping and changing is practical when something aint working.
Bar Reggie, our defence is pants and thats including hugo, it impossible to build anything if everytime we loose the ball or a player is one on one, there is a greater possibilty of the said player gving away a free kick or penalty.
Alot of the games we have lost or drawed this season has come as a result of mistakes, baring the last liverpool and brighton game, where the performance was pant's.
Playing ndombele higher up in the 1st part of the season also made sense, as the result is now he is alot better with the speed and pace of the premier league.
Man city last season were all over the place, what did pep do last summer, invest in defenders and spend the 1st half of the season focusing on defending.
The irony being that City had John Stones playing, cost same amout as Davinson, faced the same criticism as Davinson, got coached properly and is now back and playing great.
Just saying like
watch this video to understand what jose is trying to achieve
what is manchester uniteds tactical identity under mourinho tactics explained 1JBDCilBnas on youtube....