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There are only 3 trophies to win in this league.

Wonder if liverpools spending in the last 10 years has been worth a league cup
We have won the same as them in the last 10 yrs haven't we, one league cup. I think I am right there. Maybe not.
We have in that time built a new training complex, purchased land and started building a new gaff. Not bad seeing as we have bettered them in league too for all but one of the last 5 seasons isn't it.

6 out of the last 7. But don't forget they drew at home to West Brom. Money can't buy moments like that.
 
I have never been on the spend gravy train, all good coaches train and improve players. It's been part of our DNA, in fact we were the most forward thinking club by sending our kids to Northfleet to play our style of football, Rowe and Nicholson part of that group went on to play and manage this club. Always shocks me to here the usual spend, spend, spend mob don't know this!

With a healthy productive academy, and a well managed squad we can compete at the top just as Spurs, Utd, Barca to name but a few have proven in the past. It should allow you to then invest in the one or two World Class stardust players required to sustain it. That final sentence is a few years off for us but my fingers are crossed we will see it.

We spent more than any club in the 60's. Let's not reinvent history.
 
We spent more than any club in the 60's. Let's not reinvent history.
That's the point Joe, we could do that because of our foundations laid at the time. What happened in the 50's was the result of McWilliam, what happened under McWilliam happened because of Cameron. What happened in the 60's was a club that was successfull , with that success cam our wealth. We could get anyone we wanted drop a world record fee on Greaves etc
 
That's the point Joe, we could do that because of our foundations laid at the time. What happened in the 50's was the result of McWilliam, what happened under McWilliam happened because of Cameron. What happened in the 60's was a club that was successfull , with that success cam our wealth. We could get anyone we wanted drop a world record fee on Greaves etc
So what happened? Alex Ferguson, that's what.
 
I'm very proud of that. I fucking love it. Makes mugs of all the other clubs. So long as the dosh saved is reinvested back into the The Club to set it up for years and years this is how a club should be run.
Hopefully so. And considering an (essentially zero) transfer spend budget with an enormous amount of TV revenue, if that money is going back into the club then we'll have the new stadium paid for in a much much quicker amount of time than it took for the scum to pay off the Emirates.

In fact, our new stadium timing is fantastic - loads of TV money and (if rumours are to be believed) rather a lot more for the naming rights than that lot down the road agreed to.

And the faster the stadium is paid off, the faster we have a business model for higher wages (to keep our players indefinitely) and being able to attract the odd superstar signing if they become available.

The future's bright, the future's...
 
So what happened? Alex Ferguson, that's what.

We were still spending record amounts when signing Gazza, £2.3m wasn't it? Albeit Scholar was borrowing heavily to invest in the squad. Those days broke us as a club and Sugar ran us more as a business not a football club. Whilst others overtook us during the early Premier League era. I feel our current philosophy of developing and buying players below the elite bracket is far more positive for our club. Any achievement we make feels so much more earned.
 
Hopefully so. And considering an (essentially zero) transfer spend budget with an enormous amount of TV revenue, if that money is going back into the club then we'll have the new stadium paid for in a much much quicker amount of time than it took for the scum to pay off the Emirates.

In fact, our new stadium timing is fantastic - loads of TV money and (if rumours are to be believed) rather a lot more for the naming rights than that lot down the road agreed to.

And the faster the stadium is paid off, the faster we have a business model for higher wages (to keep our players indefinitely) and being able to attract the odd superstar signing if they become available.

The future's bright, the future's...
I think the superstar bit comes once it is clear that you can't just afford Simone but more importantly they want to be here. I remember the players bought by Hughes at Citieh when the the Arabs arrived.

My hopes too to the stadium finances. But I will not get the bunting out until I see it in practice. There is still a tightrope to be negotiated after it's built. Today things are Rosie but TV football audiences are at an all time low at the same time they are at thier most expensive to buy the rights. The bubble could burst on TV money, who knows.
 
We were still spending record amounts when signing Gazza, £2.3m wasn't it? Albeit Scholar was borrowing heavily to invest in the squad. Those days broke us as a club and Sugar ran us more as a business not a football club. Whilst others overtook us during the early Premier League era. I feel our current philosophy of developing and buying players below the elite bracket is far more positive for our club. Any achievement we make feels so much more earned.

Yep, when you look at the NS table, it's clear that some of the bottom 10 clubs leak money by buying older players with no sell on value.
 
I think the superstar bit comes once it is clear that you can't just afford Simone but more importantly they want to be here.
Don't know about you, but I'm happy with Poch right now...

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In all seriousness I see what you're saying. It's funny, a lot of those players Man City brought in seemed to be kind of like 'transition mercenaries' - took them a while to attract the best talent to their project.
 
Don't know about you, but I'm happy with Poch right now...

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In all seriousness I see what you're saying. It's funny, a lot of those players Man City brought in seemed to be kind of like 'transition mercenaries' - took them a while to attract the best talent to their project.
And whilst they chucked money at it in the early days, boy have they invested. Not only in team but the training complex, academy players (yep kinda cheating but they can afford it), stadium, manager etc. Citeh will dominate English football for a couple of decades. All the things we have!
 
And whilst they chucked money at it in the early days, boy have they invested. Not only in team but the training complex, academy players (yep kinda cheating but they can afford it), stadium, manager etc. Citeh will dominate English football for a couple of decades. All the things we have!
It's why I can't bring myself to hate them as much as Chelsea - they've spent the money on important things other than their playing stuff, and tend to be good with their fans (also because of the disposition of their respective fanbases).

However, I still think they're now guilty of letting a lot of young homegrown players stagnate. The club's ethos doesn't seem to be very 'give the youth a chance' - and while Guardiola might be better in that regard, he'll be off before too long anyway.
Pretty risky to put the kids on when you've spent squillions on superstars.

So I reckon Spurs will be the one fostering young English players more.
 
It's why I can't bring myself to hate them as much as Chelsea - they've spent the money on important things other than their playing stuff, and tend to be good with their fans (also because of the disposition of their respective fanbases).

However, I still think they're now guilty of letting a lot of young homegrown players stagnate. The club's ethos doesn't seem to be very 'give the youth a chance' - and while Guardiola might be better in that regard, he'll be off before too long anyway.
Pretty risky to put the kids on when you've spent squillions on superstars.

So I reckon Spurs will be the one fostering young English players more.
The Citeh business model is yet to show its full hand but I suspect their academy will provide players of the xx number of other teams The the sheikh owns. Who knows time will tell, probably sooner rather than latter looking a many of their current squad.
 
City maybe developing their training facilities and their academy. They are still buying a lot of youth players in. Could they be in a similar situation to the Chavs whereby their academy players dominate the junior leagues, yet the pathway to the first team is blocked by superstars who are bought in. You just get the feeling that we are giving youth players a chance to earn a place in the senior squad. At City it's only Iheanacho who so far come through the ranks.
 
City maybe developing their training facilities and their academy. They are still buying a lot of youth players in. Could they be in a similar situation to the Chavs whereby their academy players dominate the junior leagues, yet the pathway to the first team is blocked by superstars who are bought in. You just get the feeling that we are giving youth players a chance to earn a place in the senior squad. At City it's only Iheanacho who so far come through the ranks.
Iheanacho Isnt an academy product of theirs, they bought him. The unique thing with City is they are part of a growing network of football clubs around the World (Melbourne, New York and Yokohama) others will follow. By doing this they can/will/are invoicing these clubs intellectual property protection and knowledge to generate income that wouldn't normal be there, a cleaver way to get around FFP. They are also starting to use thier assets (players staff) to develop, like Viera and then send the past thier sell by date ones to New York, Lampard. I can see this happening to many of thier young players, especially youth players. With this network they can make money or loose money (both scenarios work when moving cash & assets arround). Teams arround the world will struggle to keep up with this.
A young kid can be singed in Japan and he sold the prospect of making in PL one day playing for Manchester, the reverse can also be painted as a "plan B" if it doesn't work out you can still play in Japan, Sydney or New York. It's freighting.
 
City maybe developing their training facilities and their academy. They are still buying a lot of youth players in. Could they be in a similar situation to the Chavs whereby their academy players dominate the junior leagues, yet the pathway to the first team is blocked by superstars who are bought in. You just get the feeling that we are giving youth players a chance to earn a place in the senior squad. At City it's only Iheanacho who so far come through the ranks.
that will improve. thats part of the reason that their management structure is so barcelona influenced, IMO. They want to get the acadamey producing, cos long term its a better business model. i think we may find that city, more than anyone else, push for the B team ideal as well. (i think ownership rules in the UK are probably the reason they aint already bought a lower league team to play that role.)
 
that will improve. thats part of the reason that their management structure is so barcelona influenced, IMO. They want to get the acadamey producing, cos long term its a better business model. i think we may find that city, more than anyone else, push for the B team ideal as well. (i think ownership rules in the UK are probably the reason they aint already bought a lower league team to play that role.)
They don't need to, they own three other clubs with at least 3 more in the pipeline.
 
Iheanacho Isnt an academy product of theirs, they bought him. The unique thing with City is they are part of a growing network of football clubs around the World (Melbourne, New York and Yokohama) others will follow. By doing this they can/will/are invoicing these clubs intellectual property protection and knowledge to generate income that wouldn't normal be there, a cleaver way to get around FFP. They are also starting to use thier assets (players staff) to develop, like Viera and then send the past thier sell by date ones to New York, Lampard. I can see this happening to many of thier young players, especially youth players. With this network they can make money or loose money (both scenarios work when moving cash & assets arround). Teams arround the world will struggle to keep up with this.
A young kid can be singed in Japan and he sold the prospect of making in PL one day playing for Manchester, the reverse can also be painted as a "plan B" if it doesn't work out you can still play in Japan, Sydney or New York. It's freighting.

There really should be some rules governed by FIFA stopping ownership of multiple clubs across different countries as it does create unfair advantage. Am I right in thinking the clubs cannot be in the same continent? Abu Dhabi cannot own a Spanish or Italian side as well as City?
 
There really should be some rules governed by FIFA stopping ownership of multiple clubs across different countries as it does create unfair advantage. Am I right in thinking the clubs cannot be in the same continent? Abu Dhabi cannot own a Spanish or Italian side as well as City?
I don't think so, Watford's owners own Udinese and (previously?) Granada I believe
 
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