Injuries. WHY?!?

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Interesting bit in Pochs pre match interview today on individual training plans and particularly how they focussed on maintaining Ryan Mason's fitness this season.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/16/tottenham-mauricio-pochettino-squad-rotation

Pochettino’s clean bill of health at Tottenham is remarkable and it owes much to the way that he and his assistant, Jesús Pérez, the sports science expert, have tailored individual training programmes for the players.

They pushed them extremely hard in pre-season and the early weeks of the season but they appear to be reaping the rewards. It might be no coincidence that Tottenham have scored more goals in the last ten minutes of matches than any other Premier League team.

“It was difficult at the beginning of the season because we pushed our players a lot in the training sessions,” Pochettino said. “We try to work very hard and now, it’s easy to push them to the limit. To arrive in this moment with the squad fully fit is very important for us.”

There are several examples of how Pochettino’s integrated fitness regime has benefitted players but Ryan Mason stands as arguably the clearest. The 23-year-old’s career has been scarred by injury problems but this season he has been available every week.

“When we arrived, at the beginning of the pre-season, it was difficult for Ryan to run,” Pochettino said. “One training session, another training session rest – it was difficult to keep the level. We designed, with the medical staff and the sports science staff, an individual programme to help him; to improve his quality and his condition. The priority was his physical condition. In the case of every player, we analyse and it’s for that that we spend more than 12 hours here [at the training ground] every day. It’s because there is a lot of work.

“When you talk about the fitness of the players, you have to talk about the structure [at the club]. It’s not only about the manager or the sports science people. It’s about creating links to all the different departments, working together and taking decisions together. Jesús is my right-hand man and he is responsible for [overseeing] the fitness, with the sports science and the medical staff. It’s very important to work on prevention and to work in the same way.”
 
I agree there are too many games in a season, when you factor in internationals too.
One a week is plenty, leagues and cup competitions should be configured accordingly.
 
I'm getting fully irritated by the raft of injuries we have. I know that in past seasons people have claimed that we're particularly unlucky in terms of injuries (which I demonstrated was not statistically the case over the course of multiple seasons), but this is really starting to become a joke.

So the question is, might luck not be the culprit? We have a brand new training ground, so you'd think our team would benefit from the finest in sports medicine and the rest. Yet here we are, with everyone seemingly carrying a knock, and none of them (afiact) being some sort of freak accident.

I think I read somewhere that TS claimed that AVB overworked the players, which might lead to their breaking down, but AVB also rotated a ton to try and keep players fresh. In fact, it's the players who have been rotated who have been hurt… on again, off again, on again… (Sandro, Lamela, Eriksen, Kaboul, Chadli, just to start) Our most consistent players—Walker, Lloris—in terms of "first on the team sheet" have also shown the most durability. Or is this a chicken-egg thing?

In the baseball world, there are injury anoraks who have managed to accumulate damning evidence that certain clubs just have terrible physios. That their players get hurt more often and stay hurt longer than makes sense within simple random variance. I think they've shown the same in the NFL, but I could be wrong. Maybe Levy put all our money into fancy equipment and not enough into fitness trainers, nutritionists, stretching specialists, yoga pants… ?

On the one hand, it's not the case that Spurs typically have more injuries than normal (either in terms of matches missed by the squad or number of players hurt). Yet I can't help but wonder wtf when I consider our fancy training ground.
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Combined number of days lost due to injury for each team per season (First team players only).

2013-14
Woolwich
1716
Tottenham Hotspur 1441 (500 of these days are just from the summer signings!)
Aston Villa 1426
Everton 1367
Newcastle United 1303
West Bromwich Albion 1161
Manchester United 1146
Fulham 1095
West Ham United 1094
Crystal Palace 1061
Hull City 1017
Liverpool 997
Norwich City 978
Manchester City 929
Swansea City 922
Sunderland 735
Southampton 708
Cardiff City 609
Chelsea 556
Stoke City 555

2012-13
Newcastle United
1745
Wigan Athletic 1281
Aston Villa 1225
Queens Park Rangers 1150
Manchester United 1088
Fulham 1077
Woolwich 955
Manchester City 954
Tottenham Hotspur 953
West Ham United 925
West Bromwich Albion 905
Reading 882
Sunderland 865
Liverpool 860
Norwich City 845
Everton 714
Southampton 707
Swansea City 705
Chelsea 565
Stoke City
496
2011-12
Manchester United
1681
Tottenham Hotspur 1450
Woolwich 1343
Newcastle 1258
Fulham 1245
Queens Park Rangers 1105
Bolton 1054
Norwich 968
Sunderland 956
West Bromwich Albion 868
Aston Villa 806
Blackburn Rovers 801
Liverpool 794
Swansea 759
Everton 716
Wolverhampton Wanderers 690
Stoke City 557
Wigan Athletic 474
Chelsea 356
Manchester City 186
2010-11
Tottenham Hotspur
1486
Woolwich 1478
Sunderland 1434
Newcastle United 1339
Fulham 1171
Wolverhampton Wanderers 1117
Manchester United 1068
West Ham 954
Everton 952
Liverpool 935
Birmingham City 879
Blackburn Rovers 872
Bolton Wanderers 867
Aston Villa 864
Manchester City 826
Blackpool 754
Stoke City 696
Chelsea 687
West Bromwich Albion 583
Wigan Athletic 487

A worrying trend clearly, lets hope that this season isnt a fluke.
Mind you, some consistancy with staff / training wouldnt hurt, regardless of where the blame lies.
I think its important to note that the year Ledley King retired we go from top, to mid table.
And then in a season that was an absolute cluster fuck, in which regimes would have been changing (for example, one of our new players would have had at least 3 different training regimes that season) we jump back up again. If we can have some consistency for the next couple of years and don't sign anyone with dodgy knees, we should drop right down.
 

Two very easy ways to address this is an 18 team first division and to get rid of the League cup, or better yet, make it for Football League teams only (not PL). That's a minimum of 5 less games a year and would allow a longer summer break as well as a proper winter break right after the New Year.

Divisions 2-4 should also only have 22 teams each.
 
We are very grateful for our league cups otherwise our trophy haul would look a lot worse. We have rightly scrapped the two legged stuff and the 3rd replay madness but to just get rid of the whole thing is wrong. A lot of lower league sides depend on the competition for revenue and hope to draw a big side. Some memories of the competition seeing as we are here....
First Wembley visit for me in 1971 when big Chiv destroyed Aston Villa late on. We were missing Mike England that day but Peter Collins was a more than able deputy. I was only young but our fans were deafening in our end and we easily had the majority of the 100,000 in attendance.
1972 saw us beaten on aggregate in the semis by some tiny club in Fulham who went on to lose to Stoke! Still remains the Potters only major trophy. 1973 is held up as the worst final but for me seeing us lift our 3rd trophy in 3 years was fantastic but always felt sorry for John Pratt who went off injured that day. The three replays against Middlesborough in the early rounds were a chore. A 0-0 midweek after extra time game being one of the lowlights and I remember leaving White Hart Lane that night with a feeling of dread that we had play them again! The Wolves semi final was played on a Saturday at WHL which was strange (someone can enlighten me I am sure). The 1982 final v Liverpool was one of the worst feelings ever. We should have beaten the fuckers and were leading til very late on, we hit the bastard post too which would have sealed it. I have despised Ronnie Whelan ever since. I would not have liked to have been a scouser outside the ground that day as our fans went mental after what was our first Wembley defeat.
The 1999 win ended a long trophy drought (sounds familiar) and I saw the great Billy Nick on Wembley way after the game and he stopped for a chat despite hundreds of pissed up Tottenham fans mobbing him!
Savage got punched whilst collecting his losers medal and Cottee was on the pitch sobbing as his last ever chance of a trophy was gone. Superb. Onto 2008...what can you say, one of the best feelings at a final whistle ever when we beat those vermin. Wouldn't have bet that it remains our last trophy some 12 years on.....
 
Yes somthing is just not right at the club to have all those players out at one time and it is like they are out for ages.I remember a time in the late 90s when it was like this
 
OK, Eriksen may have been an overreach. Sandro and Kaboul have been in and out since their injuries. I'm not saying the injuries themselves are the physios' fault, but I do wonder about subsequent unreliability. Kaboul is most likely done, as he's just got bone on bone now (is that right?), but what's up with Sandro? If he's good enough to come back from the knee injury last year, and then goes (it feels like) right back to the injured list.

Chadli has not had a serious injury, but I recall reading several times this autumn that he was not available for selection because of injury.

It's just frustrating, and I don't know how much can be put to simply bad luck. But we also don't have the whole story, etc., etc.

We shouldn't use it as an excuse. Especially with what Liverpool for example have accomplished with their injuries and even those tossers up the road. Leave the injury excuse for the small teams, like West Ham.
 
If we must change physio can we bring in that fit bird currently at Chelsea? At least then noone will want our new physio replaced and this thread can die a death.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...lwich-slump-bottom-of-201314-injury-list.html

Confirms that we have had big problems with injuries over the last few seasons compared to the other PL teams. Seems Woolwich are in the same situation and Wenger wants some changes. Of course the reasons can be many, but the issue is very much real.
 
Think we actually have the best squad we've had in years to cope (left back aside) however what's been our undoing has been the injuries have seemed to be concentrated in certain positions so we have a situation with loads of options in one area but no-one in another.
I believe they refer to it as 'sods law'
 
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