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I don’t think that’s happened but I do think that too many players are barely going through the motions and have no confidence in the manager let alone each other

I don't think they have anything against the manager at all and to be honest, the ones not confident in him or his beliefs should be moved on quite swiflty in the summer.

It's evident that Ange expects in every game that these players are willing to take on a lot of risk and not flinch regardless of how the game is going. I actually think van de Ven alluded to this too in his post match interview after Chelsea.

However it's quite obvious that after we get attacked once or twice, we have a squad full of players that basically try to be safer and avoid making mistakes.. I also think that's why he specifically called out Romero after the Woolwich game - you know he's not going to back down, even if he's made a mistake. He's always going to try and be brave.

The attitude round the club has been rotten for 5+ years now. Turns out, that is a much more important (and harder) fix than pretty much everything else. We have a bunch of players who have such a weak mentality that they can't even seem to follow simple instruction out of fear of themselves making mistakes.

And I was quite disappointed that Sarr and Porro seemed to be two of the players who weren't brave enough last night - because both have been pretty good throughout the season but the amount of times they both played sideways or backwards when they had acres of space in front of them was infuriating.

However, I would still persist with both. Vicario, Porro, Romero, van de Ven, Udogie, Sarr, Maddison are the only players we have that seem to be brave on the ball (Even though Maddisons confidence seems shot) and tbh the only players I'd be willing to persist with. The rest can go if a decent fee comes in.
 
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Pep and Arteta both won cups in their first year as manager( If Ange did that for us we would be legend status). I would say Klopp is one took some time but he did go to league cup /Europa finals his first year.

Plus, those 3 plays their style but they also know how to adjust and adapt to certain situations. We havent seen that from Ange so far.
AVB finished 5th and got sacked the following October.

If my Aunt had gonads she'd be my uncle.

Do you see where this is going?
 
The players are not constantly moving into space enough. We don’t appear to have any coached combinations through the middle, or around the sides. Against the more financially well-equipped sides we don’t have enough raw athleticism to be able to improvise our way through organized opposition.

It's a mixture of our offensive players lacking intelligence as well as technical ability. Ange has put every single player in this squad through a test this season to see if they're up for actually being able to play football. Most of them have quite honestly failed and shown their deficiencies in a big way.

It's all well and good Rodrigo Bentancur being able to look impressive in a team that plays 5 at the back and looks to counter. But he's been a massive disappointment in a team that aims to play front foot football. Just one example. Though I do think it's been stop start for him and a pre-season would do him wonders.

It's an easy fix if you're smart in the transfer market. Get rid of those not capable. Bring in technically good footballers who want to continue to improve.
 
I don't think they have anything against the manager at all and to be honest, the ones not confident in him or his beliefs should be moved on quite swiflty in the summer.

It's evident that Ange expects in every game that these players are willing to take on a lot of risk and not flinch regardless of how the game is going. I actually think van de Ven alluded to this too in his post match interview after Chelsea.

However it's quite obvious that after we get attacked once or twice, we have a squad full of players that basically try to be safer and avoid making mistakes.. I also think that's why he specifically called out Romero after the Woolwich game - you know he's not going to back down, even if he's made a mistake. He's always going to try and be brave.

The attitude round the club has been rotten for 5+ years now. Turns out, that is a much more important (and harder) fix than pretty much everything else. We have a bunch of players who have such a weak mentality that they can't even seem to follow simple instruction out of fear of themselves making mistakes.

And I was quite disappointed that Sarr and Porro seemed to be two of the players who weren't brave enough last night - because both have been pretty good throughout the season but the amount of times they both played sideways or backwards when they had acres of space in front of them was infuriating.

However, I would still persist with both. Vicario, Porro, Romero, van de Ven, Udogie, Sarr, Maddison are the only players we have that seem to be brave on the wall (Even though Maddisons confidence seems shot) and tbh the only players I'd be willing to persist with. The rest can go if a decent fee comes in.

Agree with you about the 5+ years mentality and attitude but Maddison typifies the effect that Ange is having on players

Was quite the lad when he first came but he’s a shadow of his former self and is one of the ‘safe pass’ culprits

Some will say that’s because of the injury but it’s down to Ange imv
 
Agree with you about the 5+ years mentality and attitude but Maddison typifies the effect that Ange is having on players

Was quite the lad when he first came but he’s a shadow of his former self and is one of the ‘safe pass’ culprits

Some will say that’s because of the injury but it’s down to Ange imv

This just seems to be be how Maddison operates though, no?

We've had Leicester fans pretty much tell us this is the cycle of Maddison every single season.

Unstoppable at the start. Then hes unavailable through injury. And then he's pretty anonymous. Rinse repeat.

The only disappointment I have in regards to Ange and Maddison is that he wasnt dropped sooner.
 
That was one of the most frustrating things that I noticed in last night's performance.
To be honest, it was some of the worst football I've ever seen as Spurs fan.
Begs the question, how can a team be so progressive and on the front foot for the first few months of the season.
Then regress into this shit show, nobody really wants the ball, the team cannot deal with any ball into the box, it's a fucking shambles yet again.
For all the plaudits Ange was getting early on, he deserves some shit for this along with the team.
 
Begs the question, how can a team be so progressive and on the front foot for the first few months of the season.
Then regress into this shit show, nobody really wants the ball, the team cannot deal with any ball into the box, it's a fucking shambles yet again.
For all the plaudits Ange was getting early on, he deserves some shit for this along with the team.
Look at who we played in those first ten games. Spurs did well, but it wasn't exactly against the best part of the league.
 
It's a mixture of our offensive players lacking intelligence as well as technical ability. Ange has put every single player in this squad through a test this season to see if they're up for actually being able to play football. Most of them have quite honestly failed and shown their deficiencies in a big way.

It's all well and good Rodrigo Bentancur being able to look impressive in a team that plays 5 at the back and looks to counter. But he's been a massive disappointment in a team that aims to play front foot football. Just one example. Though I do think it's been stop start for him and a pre-season would do him wonders.

It's an easy fix if you're smart in the transfer market. Get rid of those not capable. Bring in technically good footballers who want to continue to improve.
So Son lacks intelligence and technical ability? because he's been practically our worst player of late.
We've gone into the transfer market already for Ange, with Johnson, Dragusin (played about 10 mins) and Werner - how's that worked out? Johnson shows signs but games like last night he looks atrocious - at the moment the jury is out on that £50 million.
Individually our back 5 is excellent and yet as a unit it's all over the shop - whose fault is that OR you want to get rid of them all?

I don't necessarily want to get rid of Ange but I have no idea what Ange ball is anymore and it's increasingly concerning that it's been sussed out and he has no answers for it. We are starting from square 1 now and it's ANGE'S FAULT and he needs to bloody figure it out - and judging from last night's post match interview he's well aware of that. He's never been under this pressure in his career and he's 58. The whole thing is very very worrying
 
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I'm not Ange Out cause I believe in giving people time to fully settle in, especially when we're talking about the megamess that is Spurs under an inept chairman and major cunt like Levy.

But I'm certainly of the opinion that Ange is out of his depth. Way out. This ain't Oz, Japan or the SPL. This is the unforgiving Premier League. And this is Spurs. We're a big club with a proper history.

Great spokesperson, the big fella sure could make a terrific PR man. But as head coach of Tottenham Hotspur, so far he's failed and not by a small margin.

I'll give him time, cause where the eff are we going if we sack him?! Yet another manager, yet another project?! Talk about a vicious circle.

Also, the players are massively to blame for yet another shite season. How many managers are they gonna let down? Absolute disgrace the lot of them. They don't care about the shirt they wear or the fans they represent.
 
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So Son lacks intelligence and technical ability? because he's been practically our worst player of late.

I don't think Son is the most intelligence footballer nor do I think outside of his ball striking ability, he's that technical either no.

Have you watched Son over the years? Brilliant when given space. Pretty poor when he isn't.

We've gone into the transfer market already for Ange,with Johnson, Dragusin (played about 10 mins) and Werner - how's that worked out? Johnson shows signs but games like last night he looks atrocious - at the moment the jury is out on that £50 million.

Don't really think there's been much wrong with Ange signings on the whole.

Vicario, van de Ven and Maddison were all huge upgrades. Dragusin is a good third choice centre back. I don't really think Solomon or Warner were Ange choices, just options presented (certainly Werner) and Johnson is a bit too inconsistent.

Hopefully Bergvall proves to be a star and we continue to make good signings in the summer. We'll need to.

Individually our back 5 is excellent and yet as a unit it's all over the shop - whose fault is that OR you want to get rid of them all?

The back five are the bravest players we have.

Fault for shipping goals lies solely on the fact our front players are so poor technically they're constantly turning over possession whilst we're high and susceptible to the break.

Improve that, we'll concede less, simple.

I don't necessarily want to get rid of Ange but I have no idea what Ange ball is anymore and it's increasingly concerning that it's been sussed out and he has no answers for it. We are starting from square 1 now and it's ANGE'S FAULT and he needs to bloody figure it out - and judging from last night's post match interview he's well aware of that. He's never been under this pressure in his career and he's 58. The whole thing is very very worrying

Not really sure it's been sussed out when we're not even playing with the same intensity.

I implore you go back and watch some of the earlier games of the season. Movement, pressing, speed of play.

If anything I think it's shown that at the beginning of the season literally every single player was on form or playing above their level and because the squad is so limited in ability, they quite simply have to be playing at that level to succeed. Injuries, suspensions, international tournaments halted not only that group of players fitness but form too. Which in turn for whatever reason has dented their confidence and belief.

It's definitely down to Ange to sort. And whilst none of us like the results. I think in the long run, this is a good thing because now nothings clouded. We've got a much bigger sample size on these players to know who can cut it and who can't. First 10 games? Bissouma was one of the best midfielders in the league for example. After 33? Perhaps not.

Massive summer ahead.
 
We've got 3 good centre backs and 2 solid wing backs when fit. We should at least give 532 a go.

But we wont because he doesnt know how to change his style
And Micky isn't good in the air, another reason we should be playing Dragusin too, 3 at the back is a must. I would go for 3-4-2-1, with Lo Celso/Kulu and Maddison as our AM and Son upfront.
 
Been thinking about comments today.

More importantly, how others react to people such as myself that want him gone.

There's nothing wrong with me or those who share my opinion. We just have a lot of experience of shit managers at Spurs and can see the signs a mile away.

Someone has to be worthy of keeping. If you don't think their way of playing will bring success what is the point?
 
What troubles me is that Angeball has been sussed.
So, if we don't have the players to play Angeball and we bring in players that can how will that change things if the way of play is sussed?

Football used to be so simple.
 
Would take Tuchel over him any day.
Really? Bloke just lost a one horse race.

Seriously, ETH and Poch this season have been worse and the whole world decides to be worried about Ange. Fuck the pundits.
To be honest, I see more Spurs 'fans' digging out Ange than anyone in the media.

We are seemingly back to our annual dilemma do we back a manager that is most likely going to be sacked shortly after the new season has started .
Is he? Why is he likely to be sacked shortly after the start of next season?
Do you know Saturday night's lotto numbers too?

The alarm bells were ringing for me after the Chelsea home defeat where I stated it was pure madness to play a high line with 9 men (and Dier at CB) and showed a level of stubbornnes as he wasn't willing/able to deviate from his favoured tactic. I didn't think any other manager in world football would have continued to adopt that tactic in that situation and I stand by that.

I find him an extremely arrogant man who gets away with it by using humour to mask the arrogance so it's not as noticeable. The mask is slipping with that though in his post match interviews.

In regards to his managerial style it's just not sustainable. It can work initially but once teams are aware of the tactic and adapt then its extremely easy to counter. His assistance to continuously play the EXTREMLEY high line, to insist on both wingers going on the outside, to not change the midfield situation and maybe abandon the '10' position when we are consistently under pressure, to insist on the full backs being midfielders thus leaving holes galore...it just doesn't resemble a manager of premier league standard.

The final straw for me is his responses to defending set pieces. He first came out with the quote stating he leaves it to Ryan Mason and Jedinak and doesn't believe in specialist coaches for set pieces (which imo is wrong being that neither have the credentials to organise set pieces defending/attacking) but he is allowed this opinion. Then in a post match interview he made a point to congratulate Mason for us scoring from a set piece and spoke about the work done in training in regards to attacking set pieces (he actually started congratulating him during the goal and started pointing at him). As soon the world realised we were absolutely awful defending them he adopted a very defensive approach and decided to downplay the importance of set pieces (well defending them anyway).

Things is he won't ever change it and suddenly decide to hire a specialist set piece coach and will continue with Mason and Jedinak because his too stubborn and arrogant to concede he got it wrong.
Great post.

At which point do the players take responsibility?

People love to peddle out the Conte video where he says as much.

I think last night was finally the night where Ange has had enough with some of them. The board HAVE to back him and get rid of the players he doesn’t want and bring in those he does

(PSA: I’m trying to stay away from the forum, I can’t be dealing with the toxicity. I just wanted to add some thoughts)
That's a great question. I posted last night that his 'leadership' team have all been shite to varying degrees over the season. Do they care? Seems to me Maddison doesn't give a toss at all for the last couple of months. If he is still suffering the effects of his injury, then why play him!?

I don't care. I just want this muppet gone. He's well out of his depth.
Who would you put in place instead then? That can guarantee 'success' whatever that it these days?

It's so ironic that the most ignored member on the forum comes out with that.
How do you know he's the most ignored?

Last night was as bad as the 5-0 defeat to Liverpool that rightfully cost AVB his job.
No it wasn't. It was shite, however, nowhere close to the shite of AVB.

Did you not see him shaking his head looking utterly beaten after each goal?
Like "how do they keep conceding goals from set pieces, I don't understand" look on his face.
You're seeing what you want to see, to suit your agenda/narrative.

problem is hes doubled down on the spursy culture by giving son the role of captain! that culture needed to be completely cut out and binned! no survivors.
Agree. Said at the time it was a bad idea to give Son the armband.

Mourinho won nothing and came 7th in the league with Kane, Lloris, Son, and Alderweireld all in their prime. Even Bale chipped in with 11 goals.
Might have won a cup had Levy not sacked him when he was afraid of having to pay out a win bonus.

First post here, it was last night that inspired me to sign up. I’m really worried about Ange and his tactics and it looks like the early enthusiasm may have been misplaced. Hope I’m wrong but I never wanted him in the first place.
Ange wasn't top of the list for 95% of posters on this forum. Who did you want instead?
 
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This just seems to be be how Maddison operates though, no?

We've had Leicester fans pretty much tell us this is the cycle of Maddison every single season.

Unstoppable at the start. Then hes unavailable through injury. And then he's pretty anonymous. Rinse repeat.

The only disappointment I have in regards to Ange and Maddison is that he wasnt dropped sooner.

Do we keep Maddison in the summer or flip him on for a profit and try and sign Eze instead? Might not be the worse idea?
 
My point being is that the football we were playing was still attractive unlike the shite being served up now!

I'd call a manager that refuses to do any tactical work or even attempt to fix our problems a fucking charlatan.

to be a top coach in the Premier League you need a plan B and C to go along with a plan A when things aren't going smoothly and he just doesn't seem to have that.

Teams quickly figured out what to do

we've been sussed out.

We have gone backwards.

I have no idea what Ange ball is anymore and it's increasingly concerning that it's been sussed out and he has no answers for it.

Ange seems to be just one trick pony and has trouble adjusting

It’s embarrassing to watch and every team in the PL now fancies their chances against us!

Dreading Sunday

Says to me that our tactics are just shite.
we are in shocking state right now

We look like like a team with a nonsense "philosophy" and no fucking plan or training.

The fact that they're clearly doing absolutely fuck all in training is reason enough to sack this charlatan.

Yi wurr telt at the beginnin' that Ange sh*ite-ball wis the beginnin' of the end furr yi, an' didnae listen.

The good news, tho, is that Brenda(n) will be available furr yi next season. lmfao
 
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