Were better now sorry micknot that much better
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Yes, it was the right decision to sack AVB.
BUT the most obvious question that follows and is linked, is who do you replace him with?
He knows the market. He knew from at least the Citeh game that he might sack him, probably before, so he had ample time to pick a target to get in and have things ready or close to ready. Yet, the impression from where the fans are sitting is that he has not been prepared. We start a second game tomorrow without a new manager and it seems like it could take a while longer yet before that decision is made. That seems crazy to me. It makes the decision to sack AVB a bad one not because it was in itself a bad decision, but because we have gone from a bad position to a worse one by then failing to follow that action up with the next necessary action.
edit: the bigger picture of course is that Levy has turned our club into an unattractive proposition for many would-be-managers and that is legacy going back at least as far as Martin Jol's farcical sacking and perhaps before.
This is why I simplified the question. Because the question of who do you replace him with, is invariably a massive factor in the ultimate judgement of what to do re: AVB.
We weren't going as well as we would've liked, however things weren't horrific, and with no noticable back-up plan in place, combined with a heap of other factors, I would find it difficult to argue that this isn't the wrong decision.
We is us.
With everything that goes balls up, a retrospective has to be conducted to identify what went wrong and if the right decisions were made and most importantly what can be done to try and avoid or minimise this occurring again. Until one is in possession of all the facts, all people can do is reflect and debate what may have happened or gloss over it and move on. (as you are advocating Mick) If Levy or AVB (or others) chose to reveal this in the future who knows? I just get pissed off that these people think that all they need to do is feed the fans bullshit and leave them in the dark and things will be alright. Glossing over stuff is not a healthy thing in the long run, it alienates people against each-other as it is doing here.
For my money, we'll not know if the right thing was done until we know what happens next.
If we kick on from here, then the right thing was done because AVB clearly was not getting enough from the players he had.
If we regress from here, then we know that it was the wrong decision, that AVB should have been given time to complete the project and that any short-term judgement made on the long-term plan was misjudged.
If we kick on from here, then the right thing was done because AVB clearly was not getting enough from the players he had.
If we regress from here, then we know that it was the wrong decision, that AVB should have been given time to complete the project and that any short-term judgement made on the long-term plan was misjudged.
If you had a ship with a pissed up captain in charge - would you leave him in charge until you found a new captain - or hand the job over to the next in the chain of command?
aaarghhh
I hate the fallacy that running a football team is a project - that is citeh babblespeak
sorry, but its terminology that doesn't fit into a sporting context
IMHO
I'm stuffed now, I'm fresh out of naval rank structure analogies...........
I don't really see the issue
The results were beginning to suck, when teams like Hull and West Ham have your tactics sussed, then the manager is busted.
Who needs an autopsy to work that out?
If it was just the case of running a team, I would agree. Changing the footballing philosophy of a club from the youth team upward, and integrating several new signings...is a project.
A pissed up captain would probably sink the ship..our ship wasn't sinking, we were just struggling to get out of port.
Could be that we have had a pissed up chairman all along!!
Levy has his plus points...he certainly has his negatives too. I do find it strange however that a man who in the transfer market is patient and willing to play the waiting game to the point of no return, cannot have the same patience with the managers he employs.
I guess that's why we will disagree then, I really thought we were rudderless and with a crew that looked as if it were on the verge of mutiny.
Again, whilst you see it that way, my impression was more of someone out of his depth taking us nowhere fast.
What did you see that made you believe he was accomplishing things?
I agree, would like to know how much freedom of movement AVB had, did he get the players he wanted or was it Levy and co who just decided one day they did not like the "cut of his jib".
He apparently only wanted 3 out of our 7 summer signings...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-did-not-want-four-seven-summer-signings.html
Until people know exactly what went on Mick its all speculative, but AVB has won silverware whereas Arry won fuck all, despite his 'extensive' managerial experience. On the face of it, it could have been fairer to let AVB continue longer, but maybe he pulled the pin and told Levy to get fucked who knows?