No ambition. so lets win some games 4-3 and lose 3-2 sure its the taking part that counts anyway SMH
You haven't supported Spurs for very long have you ???
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No ambition. so lets win some games 4-3 and lose 3-2 sure its the taking part that counts anyway SMH
As for AVB I mean come on, we went from being the most exciting team in the land under Redknapp (and that wasn't just Spurs fans saying that) to being the most boring and we managed it with a change in manager. I have never seen the lane as muted as under AVB, seeing late night EL games where people looked up at the stars in boredom as nothing, literally nothing happened for 90 mins. It was like the recent Burnley game just it was every game.
The only reason everyone claims we were more entertaining under Redknapp is because expectations were far lower and we had VDV, Modric & a motivated Ade.
This is subjective. We scored the 4th most goals that season (66). 27 less than City, 23 less than United, 8 less than Woolwich & just a solitary goal more than Chelsea but in your mind we played the most exciting football in the land? Someone's delusional. I mean we scored the same amount of goals the next season.
We simply played smart, efficient & winning football under AVB and it led to our highest points tally in our PL history. The only reason everyone claims we were more entertaining under Redknapp is because expectations were far lower and we had VDV, Modric & a motivated Ade.
Notice how he said recently? We were undoubtedly a joy to watch on our day but people constantly pretend we sustained that sort of level over 38 games when it was anything but.No mate...not at all
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-the-Premier-Leagues-great-entertainers.html
"Spurs were unlucky at Stoke the other day, but they are still in with a shout," Ferguson said. "I have been very impressed with the football they have played over the last eight games or so, and they are definitely strong enough to mount a challenge. Going out of the Europa League will help them too.
"You always expect the usual four teams to be in the hunt: ourselves, City, Woolwich and Chelsea; but to my mind Spurs have been the best team to watch recently.
Alex Ferguson
Thats exactly what I mean, 'a club of our size'. We have to start realising that, at present, we are NOT a big sized club. We may have the 6th largest income, but that's because of out ticket prices - which have forced a lot of fans & kids away - who, unlike like when I as young, cannot afford to go alone with their mates on a Saturday..er sorry Sunday afternoon .Liverpool went from 7th to 2nd sure. Will we go to 2nd next season, no chance with our current board.
Also it's not just about finishing top 4, or even 5th, more importantly it's about trophies, and under ENIC it's our worst trophy haul for over sixty years, for a club of our size that is not doing 'extremely well', in fact it's not even doing well, it's downright poor and unacceptable.
Between Feb to now..
Not resting key players
Not rotating and exhausting the first team
Abandoning pressing
Not having a second formation that works
Not playing either of our two strongest line ups
Not having a coherent game plan
Is this the make it up as we go along part of the forum?
We have been fucking shit for 90% of the season. Beyond shite.
It's only due to every other teams inability to capitalise that we aren't currently 8 / 9th (and looking over our shoulders).
Swansea Away we got battered for huge portions of the game. Ditto Hull, Lamberts Villa & Leicester. Somehow sneaked these wins whilst playing mind numbing football.
Then we have the home games against Liverpool, W. Brom, Newcastle, Stoke , Palace, West Ham & Villa.
Roastings by City & United, 0 - 0 at Burnley, sneaking wins against Southampton & Burnley at the Lane.
Oh, and pissing away the FA Cup in the third round and getting a bumming from an average Fiorentina side, who had just lost their best player.
Baffling substitutions at strange times.
Nonsensical post match interviews.
Never mind, we got to cup final (which we lost against a Chelsea side in 2nd gear) by beating Forest, Sheff Utd, Brighton & Newcastle. Joy.
That's a miserable viewpoint.It can be argued that in the early part of the season Poch was new in, some players late back from World Cup, he was experimenting and assessing into the campaign. Then some of the matches we nicked late goals in for (sometimes undeserved/unlikely) points could be deemed as showing character and a testament to increasing fitness levels.
However, even giving some slack and credit as above, I pretty much agree with your summary. The Chelski and Scum games were brilliant highlights but, apart from those it's been mostly average or even quite poor.
I've asked you this before, and you didn't get back, but could you clarify something for me? You clearly want Poch out, but you are also against sacking the manager every year. How can you take this contradictory standpoint?
erm a rich philanthropist to buy us? looking at some of our recent performances, some would say we are a charity case.I agree. It's funny though, because I bet 60/70% of fans are fucked off with ENIC/Levy. But I bet 60/70% of fans wouldn't want a rich arab either coming in and buying the best players because "it's buying success".
So what is the answer? Serious question.
Hi DG, I'm not going to get into the 'are we a big club' debate.Thats exactly what I mean, 'a club of our size'. We have to start realising that, at present, we are NOT a big sized club. We may have the 6th largest income, but that's because of out ticket prices - which have forced a lot of fans & kids away - who, unlike like when I as young, cannot afford to go alone with their mates on a Saturday..er sorry Sunday afternoon .
Our cheapest ST is the 2nd most expensive in the EPL, and our most expensive ST is the the 2nd most expensive in the EPL. There are only 4 clubs who charge more for their cheapest match day ticket and we have the 3rd highest priced most expensive match day ticket.
That's how we manage to get to attract the players we do - London also makes us more attractive - as it pays wages and that's why we are still seen as a big club.
If we charged the same as Everton we would not be able to attract the players we do. We also can only spend big when we sell.
Why is it that we should be winning stuff because we are a big club?
I have been going Spurs since 1974 but have never seen us win the league. I have seen us win one European trophy in that time too. I have also seen us win the FA cup 3 times and 2 league cups. All that in 40 years, 6 cups. Thats basically one cup every 6.66 years ( the sign of the beast!)
So, does 1 UEFA cup, 3 FA cups, 2 league cups, no league titles & no European Cup make us a BIG club over those last 40 years? It makes us a fairly good cup team in my eyes.
Unfortunately I was not alive in 1951 or 1961. Fortunately I was around in the 80's which saw us win 3 trophies in 3 seasons, one a 2nd UEFA cup. We also had the best run in the league in my era, finishing 4th, 4th and 8th those 3 seasons and the finishing 3rd in 85.
In fact in the 80's we finished in the top 4 five times in the 7 times we have since I've been going.
I'd say that was our most successful spell in those 40 years, the 80's.
However, it pains me to say, but since then, finishing in the top 4 two times, winning one FA cup and 2 league cups over the last 24 years doesn't warrant the statement ' a club of our size should be winning things"
WHY are we expected to win everything when our haul in nearly a quarter of a century is 3 domestic cups and 2 top 4 finishes?
God, if I was born in 1990 I would only remember seeing us win 2 league cups. So anyone who is 25 or younger would not associate Spurs with winning stuff.
Edit: I am not a troll. Not a goon.
I am a realistic loyal Yid who his done his service, loves his club and hopes to see us improve on and off the pitch.
I am also a realist. However, I believe we have the opportunity to really be a BIG club. Poor leadership/ownership/decision making has seen us left behind.
But....it is coming
Billy, I agree it's harder these days to win trophies for a lot of clubs including us. But as you rightly say our recent trophy haul has been poor. I'd go further and say under ENIC it's been very poor, but I'll settle for 'poor'.Greavsey,
Liverpool have also gone from 2nd to where ever they end up this season and this after spending over 100m.
I agree our trophy haul has been poor but I dont think you can compare clubs to that of 60 years ago or even 20 years ago..It's all about money these days, money that wasn't a part of the game all those years ago.
Chelsea and Man City are the two big clubs these days and they are the two that have been bought out by zillionaire tycoons.
It's a sad reality i'm afraid but to win everything you have to have one of these owners, and we all know we haven't.
Ha ha, where have I said anything like that? Selling Kane would be a disaster. You are caught in a contradiction, and so you resort to stuff like that. Unbelievable really.You clearly want us to sell Kane to the highest bidder to fund the midfield and defence, but dont you thinks its contradictory to sell our best players?
Ha ha, where have I said anything like that?
A bit of a Poch rant (maybe I should start with I love Poch very very much, and think he's doing a great job, and I want him to stay for a long long time, and I think he is setting us up the right way, The Tottenham Way, and I think we will achieve success under him, possibly even this season which will be two years earlier than I for one expected anything, and I like his ideas and approach)
So.....Im a bit pissed off that after our dreadful striker situation, we finally get to see the best of Kane, he starts to thrive, and grow as a player, banging in the goals, causing havoc and getting on the end of crosses, offering us an arial goal threat too.
So what do we do after a couple months of unearthing this gem, who has shocked most people by his superb ability to play as a lone striker, up top on his own?
We drop him deep, to sit behind two strikers who cant score, and have probably had about 4 shots between them all season. Now the team is all stifled again, with a stop start approach as soon as we get into the final third, and Kane has become anonymous.
I just do not get this.
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The point is that Im not bitching about everything.
Im bitching about the things I have a problem with. I dont need to say...
"Pochs subs are bad......BUT I LIKE HIM!!!"
"Poch doesnt have an effective plane b......BUT HIS FITNESS REGIME IS EXCELLENT!!!!"
Get over it. Im talking about his faults. When I talk about his good sides, should I also add something negative to balance it out? Dont be so precious.
OK, but I asked you where I said I wanted Kane sold.Hmmm, not sure. Maybe find the post where I said I want Poch sacked and we have a deal...Maybe it was this post from January..
Or this one...
See Joe, I "clearly want Poch sacked", you claim....yet if people stop being so offended by my critique, they will see I clearly dont, but Im simply not going to suck his cock like some of you.
Well said Spurfect, been saying something like this about ENIC for many years now. I wouldn't say they're the worst thing that's happened to us, but boy we could have done sooooo much better.ENIC is the worst thing to happen to thisclub, people say they would hate for a billionare to come in and start buying success, but the reality is thats what we need to experience any sort of success
OK, but I asked you where I said I wanted Kane sold.
Very good. I know where you stand now.The same place I said I wanted Poch sacked I guess