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Why are we even entertaining this
What do you guys think we need? I reckon a creative midfielder because Eriksen looks to be struggling a bit.
I knew you'd say that. But we haven't had any success. If your examples are Leicester, Swansea and Birmingham, I give up. I honestly thought we were bigger than those clubs - and we are - miles bigger. Richer, better supported, more money to spend, but as you say, less successful. So all good then.
ochfacepalm: Don't start going all hyperbolic "Gibbs" style. Seriously, you know that's not what you asked or what I said.Ok. I thought your examples were terrible. And they only watered down your point IMO. I get it CJJ, you won't hear a bad word about Spurs, we are doing all the right things without actually winning anything. That's fine mate.
To be fair I think a lot of people were under the impression that we would keep most of our players. Meaning that with the addition of Wanyama and Janssen we would be pretty much covered. Since then though we've seen the likes of Bentaleb, Pritchard and Fazio already leave the club. Mason, Clinton and Chadli also look likely to leave. And I'm not sure what will happen with Wimmer and Son either. Personally I thought quite a lot of those players sufficed, but Poch seems to think differently.
I guess he doesn't rate them and with the like of the kids coming through he probably wanted to make space. In pre-season Winks looked like the player we all wanted Mason and Carroll to be so there is certainly ability with a good few of these kids.
For me last season and the previous season most of the players you mentioned where simply where not good enough, Mason, Carroll, Fazio, Chadli although Yedlin and Pritchard didn't get much of a chance. By selling these players we make cash, free up wages and space. My only disappointment really was Bentaleb, the guy was becoming a monster in his first two seasons then it seemed as if the relationship with the club went out of the window. He could have a huge future if he controls his personality.
Bentaleb aside I agree with what Poch is doing in terms of moving on players either not good enough or not suited to the system. Only issue is that unless Poch honestly feels the kids are ready to do what Kane and Bentaleb did in previous seasons our squad is light.
For me we need at least two more players, Isco if it happens would be perfect then maybe other decent CM to cover Dembele.
Dream on
No, you said "We don't win things because we don't pay the money. ".
That's not the reason why we don't win things, as per the fact that smaller teams who pay their players even less win things.
The reason why we haven't won anything, aside from luck, is just down to the mentality of the players. We've been in 2 league cup finals, 2 FA Cup Semi-Finals, a CL Quarter Final and two EL QF's... all in the last 7 years. The problem is, during that time, we've been infested by players who only want to pick up a pay cheque, and don't have the do-or-die mentality we needed, bar a few (like King, Parker, Bale and Friedel etc.). They don't get to the finals and have a drive to win things, which is why players like Adebayor will have an empty cabinet in their spare room.
We're actually in a good place right now, as Kane and Dier keep saying, in terms of team togetherness - that's what made Fergie so successful, not signing 5 players every window who only come for £££ .
I have agreed although I do not know who she is. We always get these stories with a couple of days to the end of the window and they never happen.
Just a note of caution on the Isco story: Steve Stammers - For those not familiar with him google him kids.
Just like you I have absolutely no way of knowing if it is true or not, but this guy has been writing bollocks about us for 20yrs! Whenever I see his name I usually don't even bother to read the story. My gut is telling me that maybe he has an inside on Isco going, but his destination isn't Spurs and maybe he already knows this, so puts out a story that gets Spurs fans jumping for joy, then he signs for another team, leaving Spurs fans spitting feathers and raging against the world. Yes, I admit this an elaborate work of a paranoid Spurs fan, but when it involves this cunt of a reporter I want to read another story linking us to him and not saying in the report "according to the Mirror". Only then will I give it any credence.
Just like you I have absolutely no way of knowing if it is true or not, but this guy has been writing bollocks about us for 20yrs! Whenever I see his name I usually don't even bother to read the story. My gut is telling me that maybe he has an inside on Isco going, but his destination isn't Spurs and maybe he already knows this, so puts out a story that gets Spurs fans jumping for joy, then he signs for another team, leaving Spurs fans spitting feathers and raging against the world. Yes, I admit this an elaborate work of a paranoid Spurs fan, but when it involves this cunt of a reporter I want to read another story linking us to him and not saying in the report "according to the Mirror". Only then will I give it any credence.
Really it just depends who you get/buy. I like our first 11, I like some of the kids coming through, Winks and Edwards in particular, I like us getting rid of players like Chadli, Mason who are not good enough for a CL team, I just feel we need 2-3 more quality players who can get into or push the first 11. If we can get these players for nothing, great, if they cost 20 million we need to bite the bullet.
Isco for example is an amazing player and it's one or two signings like that going along with what we already have that could make the difference between top 4/winning a cup or 6th and no cup success.
Re discussion on Money. I can recall going on a Course many years ago where it was argued that money was not a motivational force. The argument went that if you keep offering more and more money whilst performance may go up for a while, it then fell back to it's previous level. Does any of our players offered new contracts with more money actually play better since the signing of the new contract?
Well I disagreed as money certainly motivated me.
The argument was that other factors like the way someone was treated, responsibility etc were more important. The proviso was that this theory kicked in after a person had enough to live on which is all Premiership footballers.
Take the position of Mason. Do not know who is paying the most Spurs, Hull or Sunderland. As long as the figures are close, his decision will be decided by one of the following, Management at the clubs, travelling time to friends/family presumably near London, decent area to live (especially if wife involved and schools if children) chances of playing regularly, relegation chance etc as may end up in Championship next year.
No 2 players will make the same decision. Some like Bale will go abroad but others prefer to stay in England.
This theory only holds if the figures are close. Vardy turned down the Scum not because of the money.
Well I disagreed as money certainly motivated me.
The argument was that other factors like the way someone was treated, responsibility etc were more important. The proviso was that this theory kicked in after a person had enough to live on which is all Premiership footballers.
Take the position of Mason. Do not know who is paying the most Spurs, Hull or Sunderland. As long as the figures are close, his decision will be decided by one of the following, Management at the clubs, travelling time to friends/family presumably near London, decent area to live (especially if wife involved and schools if children) chances of playing regularly, relegation chance etc as may end up in Championship next year.
No 2 players will make the same decision. Some like Bale will go abroad but others prefer to stay in England.
This theory only holds if the figures are close. Vardy turned down the Scum not because of the money.
Thing is, when we annually missed out on CL football, people used that as an excuse for us not attracting top players. Now we're in it, the same people say we can't afford top players. There's always an excuse.