Zeki Fryers

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United have been tapping up players for three decades now under Ferguson.

And now he whines over creative bookkeeping from another club regarding a player, which Man Yoo, biggest club in the world etc etc etc, couldn't get to sign a 1 year, 1 month, 1 week or just 1 hour extension with all their wealth?
 
he didnt have to under the rules he should have been in for around £4M which they probably wanted more.

Take the man u blinkers off - this is potentially terrible for smaller clubs as bigger clubs can poach them for nothing
 
r-u-s-x said:
Take the man u blinkers off - this is potentially terrible for smaller clubs as bigger clubs can poach them for nothing
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That's the direction football is taking, though. I'd argue that this Fryers case is much less of a risk to smaller clubs than, say, the EPPP, which gets rid of the 90 minute rule and instills fixed costs for transfers of youth players.

Back over the summer, I understood that Fergie was demanding a large sum from Spurs solely because it was Spurs, which also isn't fair, right?
 
As far as I can see, the rules themselves are the problem, because that compensation fee (£6 millions for a completely untested youngster) are stricly applied to the English FA juristiction (may be NI, Scotchland and Welsh ones too, do correct me).

Either way, as unfair as this can prove to be to smaller clubs etc - say Man Yoo tap up the entire U16,U17, U18's England teams and send them off to Antwerp for a season - the main problem remains, that the compensation programme is easily dodged by involving a foreign partner club.

The FA need to either sort out for the regulation to go continental or to scrap it entirely.

People forget one point about Fryes, btw: £3 millions aren't cheap. It's well steep for a 20 yo with virtually no PL games. He's hardly Wayne Rooney. In fact, the £6 millions suggested as Man Yoos compensation was a fucking rip off. £6m because of why? Because he trained at Carrington? Because he runs fast and is 5 foot 6 tall? Bah.

Oh and they forget a 2nd thing about Fryers too: He didn't go because Man Yoo couldn't offer him a proper contract or because they didn't rate him. He went (by all reasonable assumption) because he would get to play first team football much, much sooner at Spurs than at Utd. That puts the "but our academy should be rewarded for developing talent, buh-huuuuh" whining in a much, much different light.
 
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That puts the "but our academy should be rewarded for developing talent, buh-huuuuh" whining in a much, much different light.
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And that further underscores the problem of the EPPP, which assumes that creating high-level homegrown talent is the most important brief of the academy system as a whole, which is why players are now allowed to go to prem academies where earlier they would have to stay out in Cornwall. The top teams can claim players earlier and no longer have to negotiate a fee when poaching them; they pay a fixed price and snap them up.

And the argument is that this is good, since if that Cornish kid has the chance to train at Man U. (instead of in Plymouth Argyle or whatever), then he'll be of more use to the English National Team and to raising the profile of English football as a whole. In other words, the needs of the national team and the Premier League trump those of any specific mickey mouse academy.

That's the bed the FA have made with the PL, and now they have to lie in it.
 
Éperons said:
And that further underscores the problem of the EPPP, which assumes that creating high-level homegrown talent is the most important brief of the academy system as a whole, which is why players are now allowed to go to prem academies where earlier they would have to stay out in Cornwall. The top teams can claim players earlier and no longer have to negotiate a fee when poaching them; they pay a fixed price and snap them up.

And the argument is that this is good, since if that Cornish kid has the chance to train at Man U. (instead of in Plymouth Argyle or whatever), then he'll be of more use to the English National Team and to raising the profile of English football as a whole. In other words, the needs of the national team and the Premier League trump those of any specific mickey mouse academy.

That's the bed the FA have made with the PL, and now they have to lie in it.
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Great point made, that honourable gentleman
 
First things first,., 6m for a kid is disgusting! The fact we found a way round paying such a sickening sum is more strength to Levy's elbow. The added fact Fergie can't handle it being done to him for once is simply hilarious!
Think of it as payback for Sheringham, Carrick and the Berbatov for Frazier Campbell scam... Cunt!
 
1882 said:
First things first,., 6m for a kid is disgusting! The fact we found a way round paying such a sickening sum is more strength to Levy's elbow. The added fact Fergie can't handle it being done to him for once is simply hilarious!
Think of it as payback for Sheringham, Carrick and the Berbatov for Frazier Campbell scam... Cunt!
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Not only is it a lot per definition.

What is worse is, let us be honest here, Zeki is not young in the terms of footballing supertalents and he has not pulled up any trees during first team football for Man Yoo nor for club nor international youth sides.

Years Team
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2011–2012 Manchester United
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2012–2013 Standard Liège
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2013– Tottenham Hotspur
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2007–2008 England U16
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2008–2009 England U17
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2010 England U19
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He is a good player and nothing more, may become a PL fullback and may very well not.

When the dust have settled and Fergies friends in the mainstream media have quieted down a bit, perhaps some attention could be spared to as to how these "tribunals" add up these compensation fees.

E.g. in the Zeki case the apt reason for the asthonishing fee of £6 million bloody pounds seems to be, that Man Utd are the ones making the compensation claim in the first place.
 
I have to say that I find this whole affair rather pleasing. Unless a football fan has been living in hole for the past 15-20 years he would've seen that Fergie has always been a master manipulator of bother the press and other managers via mind games (well, at least he's tried to do the latter anyhow). Previously he'd always patronise us with talk of how we were a big side in disguise and may be a threat that season (knowing that we wouldn't likely get near to them). Now he's avoiding saying those sorts of things and looking to shit stir via the press. What this tells me is that in his mind we have been upgraded as a real and potential up and coming threat to United, and now it's time for us to be on the end of the troublemaking as well.

That tells me we are going places.
 
"His rage passes description - the sort of rage that is only seen when rich folk that have more than they can enjoy suddenly lose something that they have long had but have never before used or wanted.”
 
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Ezekiel Fryers
 
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