Woolwich (h) 18/19 ratings

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Scrolled down to Sissoko read the first line, binned this shite thread

If you can’t do it without an agenda, dont do it at all. All the while probably thinking Sessengon was like Messi today.

From the BBC
There were pluses for Spurs in the outstanding performance of Moussa Sissoko but they currently look a side short on spark

Plus every single Spurs fan I know, and 99% of people on here thought he was excellent.
Putting the goal on him while flippantly ghosting over it and heaping praise on Sanchez shows how out of touch you are.

Its boring and deliberately dishonest.
 
Vertonghen MOTM.

Everyone else, meh.

We missed Winks and Dele.
It's become a sad state of affairs that I was actually disappointed and concerned when I saw that Winks wasn't in the team.
Really is a sad indictmemt of the way our squad's been neglected over the past couple of seasons
 
Nadir

It's been a pretty dire few weeks for Pochettino, this last seven days particularly bad with yesterday possibly the nadir.

For some peculiar reason, Poch persisted with the 3CB system that proved so ineffective, offensively and defensively, against both Burnley and Chelsea.

To compound the structural befuddlement, he selected Wanyama and Sissoko as a midfield double pivot. This is the most footballingly limited midfield combo we've seen since his atrocious Dier/Wanyama experiment at the start of 16/17.

There's mitigation for Wanyama, he's played a handful of games in the last two years, but to play him and Sissoko meant no tick tick control, fluidity and creativity from our midfield yesterday. Combined with the structure, it was an utterly baffling choice. The extra body in defence marking one Woolwich striker, the two narrow strikers, again, just ahead of a central ACM, all occupying that narrow congested sector of pitch.

It basically puts the entire burden of creativity on the full backs, and when those full backs are Rose, who rarely produces anything composed, and a Trippier who's been going through possibly the leanest spell of creativity of his Spurs career, it was a recipe for another pretty creatively defunct display.

This was a game of very little quality from either side. Woolwich seemed to get praised for merely turning up and parking a bus, but I don't even think they parked it great, we were just so devoid of inspiration and the ability to drive a game to, through and from midfield - to transition.

Their goal was a clusterfuck chain reaction that started with Kane inexplicably deciding to fuck about instead of getting a shot off, Sanchez making a pigs ear of nicking in to win a ball, Sissoko allowing Ramsey to waltz past him and have a free run to goal and rounded off nicely by Lloris having a sit down.

The second half just degenerated into a complete farce with Poch's comical substitutions and tactical musical chairs, which ended up with Rose trying, and failing horribly, to do his Moussa Dembele impression.

As with the Burnely and Chelsea games, the subs just made things worse not better. We became a confused and incoherent mess and as a result, they looked as much like getting a winner as we did. Why he didn't just take a CB off is anyone's guess. I mean what does say about the LWB when he feels he has to switch a CB out to LWB to improve the creativity? We ended up with our LB at CM, Our CB at Left Wing, our ACM as DM, lumping balls up to the Spanish Crouch.

If VAR was already here chances are we don't even get a draw out of this game. Neither team deserved to win it. Just as neither team deserved to win in on Wednesday.

Individual

Lloris - Poor on the first goal, great save for the pen.

Trippier - Overall he played pretty well, was far more involved than Rose for example, and was unlucky not to get an assist for a lovely free kick, but I was disappointed with his end product yesterday, wasted a couple of great situations second half.

Alderweireld - Another game where I thought he was less than perfect. But generally OK.

Sanchez - Like Trippier against Chelsea, I thought apart from his fuck up he played well defensively.

Vertonghen - Generally good game, and an absolutely outstanding block after the penalty.

Rose - Piss fucking poor, offered nothing as a WB all game then decided to play Moussa Dembele dribble roulette when moved into central midfield late on.

Sissoko - Another pretty poor game. A couple of forward surges where he ends up overrunning the ball and giving it away was the highlight. Piss poor letting Ramsey run off him for their goal, but did do well to chase down Aubamayang second half and take the ball off him. Also unlucky not to score.

Wanyama - Was equally unimpressive, but has barely played last two years, so hard to expect much.

Eriksen - I think this was actually his poorest game lately. Unlucky not to score, but just didn't contribute much else of tangible quality and wasn't involved enough either. Some of that was the lack of midfield and his tactical deployment, but not all.

Kane - Needs to stop trying to do his Messi impression and keep it simple when he's not up to match speed.

Son - This is the ying and yang of Son. A player capable of brilliant moments, but not a brilliant player. Can go games and periods like this, where he looks really fucking ordinary. Doesn't press well without the ball either.
 
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It's become a sad state of affairs that I was actually disappointed and concerned when I saw that Winks wasn't in the team.
Really is a sad indictmemt of the way our squad's been neglected over the past couple of seasons
Winks is a really good player imo, I definitely don't mind him starting for us
 
Nadir

It's been a pretty dire few weeks for Pochettino, this last seven days particularly bad with yesterday possibly the nadir.

For some peculiar reason, Poch persisted with the 3CB system that proved so ineffective, offensively and defensively, against both Burnley and Chelsea.

To compound the structural befuddlement, he selected Wanyama and Sissoko as a midfield double pivot. This is the most footballingly limited midfield combo we've seen since his atrocious Dier/Wanyama experiment at the start of 16/17.

There's mitigation for Wanyama, he's played a handful of games in the last two years, but to play him and Sissoko meant no tick tick control, fluidity and creativity from our midfield yesterday. Combined with the structure, it was an utterly baffling choice. The extra body in defence marking one Woolwich striker, the two narrow strikers, again, just ahead of a central ACM, all occupying that narrow congested sector of pitch.

It basically puts the entire burden of creativity on the full backs, and when those full backs are Rose, who rarely produces anything composed, and a Trippier who's been going through possibly the leanest spell of creativity of his Spurs career, it was a recipe for another pretty creatively defunct display.

This was a game of very little quality from either side. Woolwich seemed to get praised for merely turning up and parking a bus, but I don't even think they parked it great, we were just so devoid of inspiration and the ability to drive a game to, through and from midfield - to transition.

Their goal was a clusterfuck chain reaction that started with Kane inexplicably deciding to fuck about instead of getting a shot off, Sanchez making a pigs ear of nicking in to win a ball, Sissoko allowing Ramsey to waltz past him and have a free run to goal and rounded off nicely by Lloris having a sit down.

The second half just degenerated into a complete farce with Poch's comical substitutions and tactical musical chairs, which ended up with Rose trying, and failing horribly, to do his Moussa Dembele impression.

As with the Burnely and Chelsea games, the subs just made things worse not better. We became a confused and incoherent mess and as a result, they looked as much like getting a winner as we did. Why he didn't just take a CB off is anyone's guess. I mean what does say about the LWB when he feels he has to switch a CB out to LWB to improve the creativity? We ended up with our LB at CM, Our CB at Left Wing, our ACM as DM, lumping balls up to the Spanish Crouch.

If VAR was already here chances are we don't even get a draw out of this game. Neither team deserved to win it. Just as neither team deserved to win in on Wednesday.

Individual

Lloris - Poor on the first goal, great save for the pen.

Trippier - Overall he played pretty well, was far more involved than Rose for example, and was unlucky not to get an assist for a lovely free kick, but I was disappointed with his end product yesterday, wasted a couple of great situations second half.

Alderweireld - Another game where I thought he was less than perfect. But generally OK.

Sanchez - Like Trippier against Chelsea, I thought apart from his fuck up he played well defensively.

Vertonghen - Generally good game, and an absolutely outstanding block after the penalty.

Rose - Piss fucking poor, offered nothing as a WB all game then decided to play Moussa Dembele dribble roulette when moved into central midfield late on.

Sissoko - Another pretty poor game. A couple of forward surges where he ends up overrunning the ball and giving it away was the highlight. Piss poor letting Ramsey run off him for their goal, but did do well to chase down Aubamayang second half and take the ball off him.

Wanyama - Was equally unimpressive, but has barely played last two years, so hard to expect much.

Eriksen - I think this was actually his poorest game lately. Unlucky not to score, but just didn't contribute much else of tangible quality and wasn't involved enough either. Some of that was the lack of midfield and his tactical deployment, but not all.

Kane - Needs to stop trying to do his Messi impression and keep it simple when he's not up to match speed.

Son - This is the king and yang of Son. A player capable of brilliant moments, but not a brilliant player. Can go games and periods like this, where he looks really fucking ordinary. Doesn't press well, without the ball either.


Give it up with this shite

You’re the joke of the Forum

Sissoko MOTM clearly
 
So the OP thinks Sissoko was poor, yet 56% of the vote has him as MOTM.

Time to stop these agenda driven, ego riddled 'ratings' threads. Complete shite.
 
It's become a sad state of affairs that I was actually disappointed and concerned when I saw that Winks wasn't in the team.
Really is a sad indictmemt of the way our squad's been neglected over the past couple of seasons
Same . Sissoko was very good (as almost always this season) and our only outfield player that was any good. But we do need some new CMs, I dont feel terribly comfortable seeing Dier, Wanyama, Skipp in the team. Winks in a 2 also very flimsy. Very poor decision letting Dembele go or at least not loaning him back for the rest of the season.
 
I intend to have another look at the Chelsea game. Just rewatched the second half of the NLD. Torreira was keeping a close eye on Eriksen to begin with, but not for the entire second half. Nevertheless, Eriksen's passing was of a very poor standard. One of the reasons he probably didn't see much ball is because the fucking thing was up in the air for about an hour.

I thought Eriksen wasn't great, but it's not like there was any fluidity or direction coming out of the unit twins in midfield is it? And instead of an additional body in midfield/forward areas, we had two central strikers and 3 CB's.

Just a horrible clusterfuck of a tactical application.
 
I will not give ratings to players for this game. Because I think our underwhelming performance yesterday is more down to our quality and Poch's tactics than individual players' performance.

1. We failed to exploit the fact that they had a defensive liability (Mustafi). Their first choice RB is out and we should've at least tried to take advantage of that but we moved more centrally with Kane and Son up top.

2. Rose as a CDM. I know it might have changed the momentum a bit, but it was quite obvious that Rose didn't know what he was doing there (quite understandably so), and I felt it was an unnecessary gamble given we could have switched things up in other ways as we didn't have much time on our hands and players had to waste their time getting readjusted to the change. We also lost our possession a lot. The ball was in our half more than the other way.

3. Sub choices: I can't fathom why Poch persists with Llorente as his first sub. I think the idea is to use him as the target man to give more space to Kane but doesn't moving Son and Lamela to the wings (and moving Llorente up top next to Kane) make more sense and taking Rose off instead of putting him in midfield? We had 3 options who could play wide: Lamela, Son, Moura and like I've said with point #1, their RB was their biggest defensive liability. Why couldn't he let the players cut in that side?

4. Why two strikers up top? When we don't have a creative midfield and quality wing backs to provide crosses in the box? We've seen this happening, again and again. I know it's worked before more or less, but the important thing is it's not working right now due to our quality issues.


More on the players: Kane is not fully fit. I personally believe he indirectly contributed to their first goal by not taking a shot in the box and losing possession. He would've buried it easily if he was fit. But at this point, I think asking more from him is not fair or realistic. Poch should know this, and shouldn't put too much burden on Kane (even though this is what he wants) to finish everything and shouldn't be afraid of subbing him on at HT, or taking him off if necessary (he looked really knackered in the second half).

On Son: I don't like the idea that Kane and Son don't play well together. I refuse to believe this. Because the idea is too devastating and doesn't reflect the fact that they've played together fantastically in the past. I think this is more down to our lack of a creative CDM and our overall quality in midfield.

Eriksen: Some speculate that he has one foot out the door and it's reflected on his recent performances but I don't think this is the main reason why he's underperforming. Similarly to Son's situation now (in that they should play in their preferred/different positions to shine), he plays much deeper with less freedom and it's hindering his play a bit plus, I genuinely think he's just out of form. He pulls out of challenges too much which quite frustrated me while watching the game but he's been always this way even before all the talks of him taking off and seems to be part of his style of play.

Rose: I know he can be good, but he has some areas that are quite lacking in my opinion. Crossing, passing, decision-making (he doesn't seem to know how to pick out a player in a good position to pass the ball to, too often.) He's fast and he should take more advantage of that but he hesitates too much or tries to dribble past players himself instead of passing it to other attacking players in time. He's often the furthest player in the final third, but by the time he makes the decision to give the ball to someone else, the opponent's defenders are already behind the ball and space has closed up.
 
Nadir

It's been a pretty dire few weeks for Pochettino, this last seven days particularly bad with yesterday possibly the nadir.

For some peculiar reason, Poch persisted with the 3CB system that proved so ineffective, offensively and defensively, against both Burnley and Chelsea.

To compound the structural befuddlement, he selected Wanyama and Sissoko as a midfield double pivot. This is the most footballingly limited midfield combo we've seen since his atrocious Dier/Wanyama experiment at the start of 16/17.

There's mitigation for Wanyama, he's played a handful of games in the last two years, but to play him and Sissoko meant no tick tick control, fluidity and creativity from our midfield yesterday. Combined with the structure, it was an utterly baffling choice. The extra body in defence marking one Woolwich striker, the two narrow strikers, again, just ahead of a central ACM, all occupying that narrow congested sector of pitch.

It basically puts the entire burden of creativity on the full backs, and when those full backs are Rose, who rarely produces anything composed, and a Trippier who's been going through possibly the leanest spell of creativity of his Spurs career, it was a recipe for another pretty creatively defunct display.

This was a game of very little quality from either side. Woolwich seemed to get praised for merely turning up and parking a bus, but I don't even think they parked it great, we were just so devoid of inspiration and the ability to drive a game to, through and from midfield - to transition.

Their goal was a clusterfuck chain reaction that started with Kane inexplicably deciding to fuck about instead of getting a shot off, Sanchez making a pigs ear of nicking in to win a ball, Sissoko allowing Ramsey to waltz past him and have a free run to goal and rounded off nicely by Lloris having a sit down.

The second half just degenerated into a complete farce with Poch's comical substitutions and tactical musical chairs, which ended up with Rose trying, and failing horribly, to do his Moussa Dembele impression.

As with the Burnely and Chelsea games, the subs just made things worse not better. We became a confused and incoherent mess and as a result, they looked as much like getting a winner as we did. Why he didn't just take a CB off is anyone's guess. I mean what does say about the LWB when he feels he has to switch a CB out to LWB to improve the creativity? We ended up with our LB at CM, Our CB at Left Wing, our ACM as DM, lumping balls up to the Spanish Crouch.

If VAR was already here chances are we don't even get a draw out of this game. Neither team deserved to win it. Just as neither team deserved to win in on Wednesday.

Individual

Lloris - Poor on the first goal, great save for the pen.

Trippier - Overall he played pretty well, was far more involved than Rose for example, and was unlucky not to get an assist for a lovely free kick, but I was disappointed with his end product yesterday, wasted a couple of great situations second half.

Alderweireld - Another game where I thought he was less than perfect. But generally OK.

Sanchez - Like Trippier against Chelsea, I thought apart from his fuck up he played well defensively.

Vertonghen - Generally good game, and an absolutely outstanding block after the penalty.

Rose - Piss fucking poor, offered nothing as a WB all game then decided to play Moussa Dembele dribble roulette when moved into central midfield late on.

Sissoko - Another pretty poor game. A couple of forward surges where he ends up overrunning the ball and giving it away was the highlight. Piss poor letting Ramsey run off him for their goal, but did do well to chase down Aubamayang second half and take the ball off him.

Wanyama - Was equally unimpressive, but has barely played last two years, so hard to expect much.

Eriksen - I think this was actually his poorest game lately. Unlucky not to score, but just didn't contribute much else of tangible quality and wasn't involved enough either. Some of that was the lack of midfield and his tactical deployment, but not all.

Kane - Needs to stop trying to do his Messi impression and keep it simple when he's not up to match speed.

Son - This is the king and yang of Son. A player capable of brilliant moments, but not a brilliant player. Can go games and periods like this, where he looks really fucking ordinary. Doesn't press well, without the ball either.
Bla bla bla nothing more
 
I just do not understand how that performance from Sissoko could be deemed good, let alone "outstanding" or "excellent".

In a game in which our midfield was utterly abject, devoid of impetus, lacking any tempo or creative spark. Winks got through more ball away to Chelsea than Sissoko and Wanyama put together against Woolwich. And if this was about quality over quantity that would be fine, but it's absolutely not. Sissoko lacks intelligence, creates nothing, initiates nothing with clever vision or intuition. The best we get is a couple of bulldozing charges upfield, with him overrunning the ball and coughing it up. The rest of what he did was basic, rudimentary stuff.

he was also very culpable in their goal, allowing Ramsey to run past him, just stood there and stuck his fucking hand up. Can you imagine the fucking slaughtering Trippier would have got if he'd done that?


If the criteria for MOTM or being deemed excellent is so low, then Trippier would have been a much more worthy candidate. He was excellent defensively, saw a shit load more of the ball than Sissoko did, completed double the passes, in defensive, midfield and forward areas, and made bette use of the ball (3 key passes, Sissoko 1), set up a goal that was disallowed for offside (not his fault) also played a nice ball into the channel for Son (I think) which was about the one incisive pass anyone made all game. He wasted a couple of great opportunities to put better crosses in, but then it's not like Sissoko created anything either is it. Sissoko made 15 forward passes in 93 minutes FFS.

So why would people call that performance great from Sissoko?

You accuse me of having an agenda, but my not rating what Sissoko offers is far more rational than your spending every week week telling us Eriksen is shit.

I do not rate Sissoko. What is there to rate about Sissoko, if you value intelligent (offensive and defensive) football, technical ability, cognitive functionality (defensive or offensive)?

He doesn't want the ball under pressure, he stands there hiding and pointing while people like Winks do his fucking workload and their own. When he has the ball there is no game brain, it's a hot potato 90% of the time. We are in a funk as a team, we have been outscoring our performances and performance metrics for a long time (and that's not just a casual observation - it's supported by performance analysts like stats bomb) because of people like Kane and Eriksen, and one of the reasons we are in a funk is having stupid units like Sissoko where our midfield footballing engine and brain should be.

I watched about 50% of every minute of every single one of Sissoko's games at Toulouse, don't rate him then, didn't rate him at Newcastle, even as an AM. And nothing he's doing now has made me rate him. I credit him for things he does, like the challenge on Aubameyang, or when he's had OK game. But there is very little he does that a kid from our academy couldn't do for about a tenth of the wages. He creates fuck all, he rarely ever instigates anything that leads to fuck all. He doesn't want the ball under pressure, what fucking use is that in a league where everyone pressures? He never plays an incisive pass to his full back, he has massive defensive lapses that I've continually highlighted, one that contributed to the goal against Woolwich.

I didn't like watching Dier in our midfield, so why should I enjoy watching Sissoko. It's not a personal agenda against Sissoko, it's a personal preference for a set of values.

I find the jingoistic tub thumping about him much more illogical, especially coming from someone who calls one of the most hard working and productive players in this league who plays for us "shit". Idiotic hypocrisy.

I’m not the greatest Sissoko fan either but if you’re going to say that Eriksen was unlucky not to score when he was at point blank range then you’ve got to include the fact that Sissoko was even more unlucky not to score from the rebound with his perfectly struck shot producing a brilliant save from the keeper.

As far as the criticism of Son is concerned, as others have pointed out, if he’s not playing up front as the main striker then he should be playing wide, running at his full back ( Woolwich’s weakest link ) and cutting in which he does so well. Playing as a second striker alongside Kane was too narrow and reduces Son’s effectiveness. It was interesting that Lamela had some success out wide when he came on and there is a case for playing Lamela ( rather than Moura in a case like that ) and Son as the wide players rather than just relying on our full backs to cross the ball into the box which they repeatedly failed to do .

I also think you’re being extremely harsh saying Lloris could have saved the first goal. That was 80% down to Sanchez and 20% Sissoko. Or you could argue that what’s the point of playing 3 centre backs if they are nowhere to be found when one of them makes a mistake on the half way line.

Oh and Wanyama’s performance cannot be given any mitigation. He shouldn’t have been selected if he wasn’t ready . He probably will never be ready based on what we are seeing from him.

Eriksen was woeful and for the past couple of months he has played as if his head is elsewhere which it probably has been.
 
First couple of paragraphs were ok but then you turned into a verbose, biased, blinkered cunt as always and it became clear that your agenda overrides your ability to be factually accurate and make objective statements about the game...fancy slating sissoko when Sanchez gets away so easily with the fuck up leading to the goal and gives away the penalty...
Lose the fucking agenda and get some positive comments from us for your show of undoubted enthusiasm.
 
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