What the hell is going on behind the scenes in regards to contracts and our players?

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I haven't "manufactured" anything, I made a thread based on one of our best players being dropped for no apparent reason whatsoever and why I am concerned about that, 6-7 people on here, yet again, seem to think that it isn't an issue and everyone else in the footballing world, including VDV on Sky are all "reading into things" too much about it when it's clearly fucking obvious something isn't quite right.

No apparent reason that you can fathom, lets get it straight here. Its not "no apparent reason whatsoever", it's no apparent reason that you could possibly conceive of. Obviously there are many possible reasons, but with City away next week, I give you the obvious one. As for Sky and "everyone else in the footballing world", you'll find that most are media and its the medias job to make stuff up.

That's why I say it's like a cult, you have a handful of posters on here that love to dig out other posters for having any opinions that differ from their own and I do mean a handful because there are plenty of good posters on here, even people I disagree with.

Despite you using the word "everyone else" (which shows the level of delusion we are dealing with here because, newsflash, 6-7 of the same posters on here agreeing with you calling everyone a "melt" and "negative" that they disagree with aren't representative of the wider fanbase or "everyone else" which you seem to think is the case.)

There's more than 6-7 who disagree with you. Maybe only 6-7 who will bother to take the time to engage with you anymore, but most others can see the futility of going over the same thing again and again.

Also in this thread I also discussed how two of our best players are running their contracts down, that isn't manufacturing things, those are facts.

By "running their contracts down", you mean they are not signing new contracts and are deliberately refusing transfers in order to leave on a free in the future? Because they're not, are they? So it's not quite a fact is it? Yes, they will both be out of contract soon, that's a fact, your sensationalist hyperbole isn't fact.

I am making assumptions about the reasons behind Vertonghen being out but I said that in the post, so that's not manufacturing negativity, that's seeing something that isn't quite right and showing concern about it because I love the club and am worried about us losing our best players.

I don't "see the bad in every situation" and like I said, I didn't accuse everyone else of being cult like, I am accusing posters like you of being cult like because you seem to think that if someone has concerns, that immediately means they are negative or seeing the bad in every situation.

Poch is saving Jan for City away, he's sitting wrapped in proverbial cotton wool in the stands. It's as fair an assumption as any you have made, except without drama. Why does it have to be the sky falling down every time the manager makes a decision you don't understand? I'm sure you love the club and are worried about losing our best players, and as someone who was a vocal advocate of Levy backing Poch in the transfer market, you should understand that buying new players means other players leave. Ok, losing them on a free isn't best practice but I'm certain Levy is a lot more pissed off than you about it!

I also never claimed my opinions were ever right, I am likely wrong, I have no issue admitting when I am wrong either, however, let's have a look at something for a second.

People like yourself, accusing others of always thinking they are right and being constantly negative and looking for the bad in everything.

Lets flip that around for a second, have you ever considered that it might be yourself that always thinks they are right and that coming into threads accusing others of being negative is an indication of the strength of your beliefs that you cannot possibly be wrong?

Ok.

No. I've been proved wrong on many an occasion. I've also been right on many. like this one.
 
Looks like there's some kind of serious situation regarding Vertonghen from Pochs interview
I haven't "manufactured" anything, I made a thread based on one of our best players being dropped for no apparent reason whatsoever and why I am concerned about that, 6-7 people on here, yet again, seem to think that it isn't an issue and everyone else in the footballing world, including VDV on Sky are all "reading into things" too much about it when it's clearly fucking obvious something isn't quite right.

That's why I say it's like a cult, you have a handful of posters on here that love to dig out other posters for having any opinions that differ from their own and I do mean a handful because there are plenty of good posters on here, even people I disagree with.

Despite you using the word "everyone else" (which shows the level of delusion we are dealing with here because, newsflash, 6-7 of the same posters on here agreeing with you calling everyone a "melt" and "negative" that they disagree with aren't representative of the wider fanbase or "everyone else" which you seem to think is the case.)

Also in this thread I also discussed how two of our best players are running their contracts down, that isn't manufacturing things, those are facts.

I am making assumptions about the reasons behind Vertonghen being out but I said that in the post, so that's not manufacturing negativity, that's seeing something that isn't quite right and showing concern about it because I love the club and am worried about us losing our best players.

I don't "see the bad in every situation" and like I said, I didn't accuse everyone else of being cult like, I am accusing posters like you of being cult like because you seem to think that if someone has concerns, that immediately means they are negative or seeing the bad in every situation.

I also never claimed my opinions were ever right, I am likely wrong, I have no issue admitting when I am wrong either, however, let's have a look at something for a second.

People like yourself, accusing others of always thinking they are right and being constantly negative and looking for the bad in everything.

Lets flip that around for a second, have you ever considered that it might be yourself that always thinks they are right and that coming into threads accusing others of being negative is an indication of the strength of your beliefs that you cannot possibly be wrong?
Take a look outside of your little bubble and you will realise that plenty of supporters are concerned about his omission and most of the concerns I have seen relate to people being concerned it is contractual issues that are causing the problems.

It's not tin foil hat to suggest something is wrong when a player that has been completely undroppable for seasons and who has played in every preseason game has suddenly been dropped for no reason and not even included on the bench.

Just because Poch says it's a rotation thing doesn't mean it's true, anybody with a brain knows that's bullshit, he would have at least made the bench if that were the case.
Maybe Poch thought we could beat Villa without Jan... and was just saving him for City next week... or maybe not.

But, unlike the moon landings, there doesn't always have to be a conspiracy behind it!!
 
No apparent reason that you can fathom, lets get it straight here. Its not "no apparent reason whatsoever", it's no apparent reason that you could possibly conceive of. Obviously there are many possible reasons, but with City away next week, I give you the obvious one. As for Sky and "everyone else in the footballing world", you'll find that most are media and its the medias job to make stuff up.



There's more than 6-7 who disagree with you. Maybe only 6-7 who will bother to take the time to engage with you anymore, but most others can see the futility of going over the same thing again and again.



By "running their contracts down", you mean they are not signing new contracts and are deliberately refusing transfers in order to leave on a free in the future? Because they're not, are they? So it's not quite a fact is it? Yes, they will both be out of contract soon, that's a fact, your sensationalist hyperbole isn't fact.



Poch is saving Jan for City away, he's sitting wrapped in proverbial cotton wool in the stands. It's as fair an assumption as any you have made, except without drama. Why does it have to be the sky falling down every time the manager makes a decision you don't understand? I'm sure you love the club and are worried about losing our best players, and as someone who was a vocal advocate of Levy backing Poch in the transfer market, you should understand that buying new players means other players leave. Ok, losing them on a free isn't best practice but I'm certain Levy is a lot more pissed off than you about it!



Ok.

No. I've been proved wrong on many an occasion. I've also been right on many. like this one.

No logical reason for leaving our second best CB out of the team for the first game of the season when he isn't injured? Unless of course he is indeed being rested for City but can you not see why people are concerned when we have all the other issues with players nearly out of contract and now a player that is a constant in our side has suddenly been dropped and not even made the bench a mere week after discussing contracts in the press?

I just seems suspect to me and many others.

I was simply saying it's always the same 6-7 posters calling anyone who disagrees with their opinions "melts" or "negative" it's like arguing with religious people who don't want their religion questioned with these individuals, the inability to critically think about things is a sign of complete idiocy as far as I am concerned.

I would rather be wrong and know that I have considered all possibilities than outright dismiss others opinions because I am so deeply embedded in my own bias I can't get my head out of my arse for 5 seconds to consider if I could possibly be wrong, you say it's more than 6-7 that disagree with me, that's fine, I accept that some people don't even bother engaging but you pretending your opinion is any more relevant than mine is self delusion I am afraid, you know just as much as I, or anyone else here does, fuck all.

You're right, he could be wrapping Jan up in cotton wool and I could be wrong but why do you consider my opinion to be drama and your opinion to hold more relevance because you consider it to be the "positive way" to look at things?

The reason I am coming to the conclusions I am is because of numerous factors

- Jan has never been dropped unless it has involved injury in the entire time he has been at this club under Poch and even during rotation he has made the bench, that in itself is incredibly suspicious, even more so considering the amount of time he played preseason and how hyped he was on social media about playing the first game.

-Poch answering questions about his absence seemed disingenous and like he wasn't giving a straight answer (using Serge Aurier as an example of how we need to rotate to be fair to the squad and how he only puts players in who he thinks deserves the game time is a prime example of why I believe there is something more to this, unless of course they think Aurier would get in ahead of Verts.)

- All this happening after Eriksen and Toby contract issues, it having the same feeling of when Toby was dropped before for those issues and a week after Verts saying he wants to stay with the club and sign a new contract all are red flags for me.

Now I realise this is all guesswork on my behalf and all assumptions, I could be completely wrong and probably am but I am just struggling to comprehend why you believe my line of questioning is "negative" or is me assuming the "sky is falling down" simply because I came to a different conclusion to you when assessing the situation?

I mean, was "the sky falling down" when I suggested in the match day thread we would go on to win the game against Villa after equalizing? Or was that me making a positive observation based on how our performance levels had improved?

This is the problem with the black and white thinking some posters here indulge in, they believe they have to stick to a "side" and that "side" is infallible and never wrong, that's a truly pathetic way of viewing things in life and a sad way of approaching a debate on an open forum.

You say "I have been proved wrong on many occasions" well that makes two of us and there is nothing wrong with that, to err is to be human after all.

But then you go on and say "I have been right on many, like this one" that is pure arrogance and shows that actually, the only individual here between me and you that believes they are right is you because I have never claimed to be right in my assesment whatsoever, I offered my opinion, I am not claiming it's accurate or calling people names if they disagree with it.

However, when people come into a thread and essentially say "You're negative because my opinion is the right one" what does that say about them?
 
I genuinely can't see how someone can call themselves a fan of anything when they're so negative about it and only look for the bad stuff. Where's the enjoyment in that?

You can't see how someone can call themselves a fan of something when they show concern about the thing they love? That makes absolutley no sense whatsoever.

How is me showing concerns for one of our best players being dropped and two of our best players running out of contract me "looking for the bad stuff" or not being a fan?

Surely that means I actually give a shit about the state of our team or I wouldn't even be wasting my energy writing about it?

I was being called "negative" for worrying about us possibly not signing anybody as well and was being told signings don't matter and yet here we are, days after Ndombele, a new signing, broke the deadlock against Villa, I would say that signing was pretty important...

I take plenty of enjoyment out of watching spurs, I love watching us play, win lose or draw, just because I take enjoyment from it doesn't mean I should shut off my critical thinking abilities and ignore any concerns I have.
 
everytime i try to go on this website on my iphone it tells me i have won a iphone and i have 5 free spins, cant get onto the site so wondering myself whats going on behind the scenes! :pochfacepalm:
 
I like your posts, not the style that for me is way to negative but at least you will argue a position. This type of post however is where you just lose all credibility .... it would have taken you five minutes of research to show that your statement is not only wrong but plain dumb ... why?

Firstly we don't have a disproportionately high number of injuries, the teams that play the most games lose the most days through injury, that's just basic math. So you'd expect us to be near the top, when you look at last season we're fourth for days lost, pretty much exactly where statistics say we should be, not a hint of "Must be reasons beyond bad luck" just you not doing your homework before making a negative post:

Days lost to injury 2018/19

Man United – 1,392
Woolwich – 1,316
West Ham – 1,237
Tottenham – 1,140
Man City – 1,134
Bournemouth – 1,108
Cardiff – 1,075
Newcastle – 1,051
Huddersfield – 1,039

What stands out is just how fortunate Liverpool were with injuries, only 801 days lost to injury . it's almost certain that this "good luck" won't hold true for them again this season .....

If you are a "plant" to generate clicks, well congrats it's working .................

To be fair, 96% of that West Ham number is Andy Carroll....
 
I have no idea what’s going on.... but.....

GIVE SUPER JAN A DEAL!!

Last year he kept Sancho under wraps whilst looking like the worlds best LEFT WING BACK!!

If that doesn’t show he’s fighting fit and ready to have a few more years at the top - what does?!

:vertna::vert:
 
There is absolutely no way he has dropped Vertonghen for depth purposes, has he ever done that before? Especially considering he has been playing verts all preseason.

It's as obvious as a slap in the face that something is going on, he didn't even make the bench and if you watch Poch after the match during his interview it's even more obvious.

You say I am freaking out for no reason but we already have two players running down their contracts, that's my reason for having concerns about Jan, he has said he wants to sign a new contract and now he's suddenly dropped for "depth reasons" after playing the entire preseason and being excited to start the season with us?

Yeah, not buying it.
Yeah it's total bullshit from Poch. On the bench would be surprising but sat up in the stands because he's not even in the squad...a tactical choice? Nah Poch, nah, don't lie to me.
 
Talking about Eriksen, Aderweireld, Trippier and soon to be Aurier in general.

Are you happy that they can leave before the window shuts and we are short?
It'll not matter what I think, there's fuck all I can do about it either way, but it's like they say, it's all about the badge on the front, not the names on the back...
 
You just have an ulterior motive to drag the club down at any opportunity. Most decent fans see through this and can see what a negative boring twat you are.

Me wanting improvement for the club in the way of transfers and me not wanting us to lose our best players = an ulterior motive to drag the club down at any opportunity.

Makes complete sense, have you ever considered the possibility, even for a split second, that it might not be good to be continuously optimistic? And it's actually healthy to ask questions?

It's borderline fucking cult on here with some of you I swear, if people aren't spitting rainbows out of their arseholes 24/7 they are immediately negative.

I also love how you lot always ignore any positive contributions posters make and constantly hone in on anything you consider to be negative?

Some of you lot need to seriously take a long hard look in the mirror about what "negativity" really is because, in my mind negativity is constantly derailing threads and never contributing to the discussion and instead just calling other posters negative, moaning about other posters and just whining like a bunch of spineless pussies that can't that an opposing opinion because it hurts their feelings and gets in the way of what they consider to be a "positive" environment.

Let's all just hold hands, dance around a campfire and never say anything whatsoever about the club that could be considered critical.
 
Negativity is manufacturing problems when there aren't any. Or deciding something is a problem with the club when in reality the only 'problem' is that it doesn't fit what you want, or adhere to the way you think the club should be run.

Negativity is accusing everyone else of being cult-like because they all disagree that you know best, that your views are insightful or prescient because you've somehow managed to see the bad in any given situation.


Oh and, lets not be anywhere near a campfire together.


I haven't "manufactured" anything, I made a thread based on one of our best players being dropped for no apparent reason whatsoever and why I am concerned about that, 6-7 people on here, yet again, seem to think that it isn't an issue and everyone else in the footballing world, including VDV on Sky are all "reading into things" too much about it when it's clearly fucking obvious something isn't quite right.

That's why I say it's like a cult, you have a handful of posters on here that love to dig out other posters for having any opinions that differ from their own and I do mean a handful because there are plenty of good posters on here, even people I disagree with.

Despite you using the word "everyone else" (which shows the level of delusion we are dealing with here because, newsflash, 6-7 of the same posters on here agreeing with you calling everyone a "melt" and "negative" that they disagree with aren't representative of the wider fanbase or "everyone else" which you seem to think is the case.)

Also in this thread I also discussed how two of our best players are running their contracts down, that isn't manufacturing things, those are facts.

I am making assumptions about the reasons behind Vertonghen being out but I said that in the post, so that's not manufacturing negativity, that's seeing something that isn't quite right and showing concern about it because I love the club and am worried about us losing our best players.

I don't "see the bad in every situation" and like I said, I didn't accuse everyone else of being cult like, I am accusing posters like you of being cult like because you seem to think that if someone has concerns, that immediately means they are negative or seeing the bad in every situation.

I also never claimed my opinions were ever right, I am likely wrong, I have no issue admitting when I am wrong either, however, let's have a look at something for a second.

People like yourself, accusing others of always thinking they are right and being constantly negative and looking for the bad in everything.

Lets flip that around for a second, have you ever considered that it might be yourself that always thinks they are right and that coming into threads accusing others of being negative is an indication of the strength of your beliefs that you cannot possibly be wrong?
 
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Take a look outside of your little bubble and you will realise that plenty of supporters are concerned about his omission and most of the concerns I have seen relate to people being concerned it is contractual issues that are causing the problems.

It's not tin foil hat to suggest something is wrong when a player that has been completely undroppable for seasons and who has played in every preseason game has suddenly been dropped for no reason and not even included on the bench.

Just because Poch says it's a rotation thing doesn't mean it's true, anybody with a brain knows that's bullshit, he would have at least made the bench if that were the case.
 
Yes, you ARE manufacturing something.

You have ZERO proof there is anything wrong behind the scenes, just because Jan didn't play. It's bullshit speculation based on nothing, and you're using it because all you do is post negative, whiny thoughts.

Now...if proof DID come out that there were behind the scenes issues with Jan and Poch, then absolutely no problem with you moaning about it.

But stop looking for fucking bullshit reasons to suit your own negative mindset and agenda. It's boring, and you're wasting your time, my time and everyone else's time.

I don't even know why you say you support spurs...you clearly don't get anything from it, you joyless individual.

Don't bother replying. Honestly, I've got better things to do than listen to so called "spurs fans" moaning, and moaning, and moaning, and moaning, without a shred of evidence to back their shit up.

Give it a rest for the love of all that is good and holy in this world.

:dembelefingers:

And you have zero proof that everything is ok, you know as much as I do, fuck all.

And it isn't "speculation based on nothing" at all, I have already shown why I am speculating on it...
- Jan has never been dropped unless it has involved injury in the entire time he has been at this club under Poch and even during rotation he has made the bench, that in itself is incredibly suspicious, even more so considering the amount of time he played preseason and how hyped he was on social media about playing the first game.

-Poch answering questions about his absence seemed disingenous and like he wasn't giving a straight answer (using Serge Aurier as an example of how we need to rotate to be fair to the squad and how he only puts players in who he thinks deserves the game time is a prime example of why I believe there is something more to this, unless of course they think Aurier would get in ahead of Verts.)

- All this happening after Eriksen and Toby contract issues, it having the same feeling of when Toby was dropped before for those issues and a week after Verts saying he wants to stay with the club and sign a new contract all are red flags for me.

Right there^

I am also not being "negative and whiny" I am showing concern because I love my football club and am worried about us potentially losing our best players and regressing, why would I be "looking for reasons" to think that? It wouldn't be productive whatsoever, I have weighed up the options and considering what I wrote above it just seems highly unlikely to me he was dropped for rotation purposes, that doesn't make me right in my assumption but it also doesn't mean I am looking for negatives.

That seems the most reasonable conclusion to me, we differ in opinion on it and that's fine but it doesn't mean you are right or that I am right and it doesn't make you a better supporter than me just because you have come to a different conclusion and I take plenty of joy from supporting this club for the past 30 years, even during the shittiest of times.

I don't have an agenda either, I view every single subject with an open mind, it's ironic though that you would say I have an agenda when you go around disliking every single post, even unrelated to football from other posters just because you don't like their opinions and call everyone you disagree with "negative" that seems pretty agenda driven to me.

But by all means, continue, I am sure it won't be long before you tell me to kill myself again, the amount of times you have been binned you would think you would have had some self-reflection by now but clearly not.
 
everytime i try to go on this website on my iphone it tells me i have won a iphone and i have 5 free spins, cant get onto the site so wondering myself whats going on behind the scenes! :pochfacepalm:

Well boys, so what you need to do, although Case is too polite to say it, is fucking stick some money in the pot!.....

Seriously, in my experience, it gets rid of all the ads and all the hassle.

The only irritation left is the people who set out the exact nature of their personal emotional investment, in detail, over several pages.
:dierpochhug: only joshing Incomp
 
TFC are clearly following in the footsteps of the rest of the online media world - paying users to create click bait thread titles that don't deliver in order to get some of that sweet sweet banner ad money.
 
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