Yeah something random - Henry hand ball, Wrong person yeah, not offsides.
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Gary Neville on VAR for a Spurs game???
Agree with all that except the players in the VAR.
Slowmo on VAR is always deceptive unless it's for something like the last player to touch the ball on an offisde.
Seems sensible. Even the useless, walking dead refs we have can’t get that wrong - bent cunts
What’s stopping them from spending 15 minutes freeze framing to see if part of an attackers body is offside?
The Warnock suggestion of 30 seconds to decide has more impact on VAR issues than changing this imo.
But we would get way more goals which would be great. Flipside is that we will see more and more teams go back to playing deep block football and probably every trophy won by deep block and counter attack teams.
Thing is, you'll still get the whole "toe nail offside " debate. But from the other side instead.
yeah exactly, that idea changes nothing but moves the line to the back foot instead of the front foot. But is still the same conversation, the same measurement, the same dodgy MS Paint lines on the pitch...
Pilots help Premier League referees end VAR communication gaffes
Presentation from British Airways duo comes as exclusive YouGov poll for The Times reveals that three quarters of football fans want to keep VAR — but with changes to the system
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Presentation from British Airways duo comes as exclusive YouGov poll for The Times reveals that three quarters of football fans want to keep VAR — but with changes to the system
Premier League referees are being helped by British Airways pilots to hone the art of communicating under pressure.
The news comes as an exclusive poll for The Times revealed that more than three quarters of people interested in football want to keep VAR — but most would like to see changes to the system.
The pilots gave a presentation to top-flight officials as part of a drive to improve precision of language after the outcry over the chaotic communication between the VAR, Darren England, the assistant VAR, Dan Cook, and the on-field referee, Simon Hooper, during the Luis Díaz disallowed goal fiasco at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on September 30.
VAR’s attempt to overrule a wrong on-field offside call against Liverpool’s Díaz was ruined by a failure to express the decision properly.
The two pilots, Chris Heaven and Pete Nataraj, gave a presentation to the Select Group officials on the need for clarity and accuracy, minimal syllables, no padding and none of the “well done, boys, good process . . . cheers, mate” informality. Dialogue, they said, should be brief and direct.
Similarities between the two roles, pilot and referee, were discussed. A number of people talk to a pilot before take-off, whether fueller, ground staff, co-pilot and cabin crew, so they learn to filter out the white noise and deal with what’s important. There has to be absolute clarity, particularly when communicating with air traffic control (its staff have also presented to England’s elite referees).
It was also highlighted that when a pilot is landing abroad, a simple, standardised vocabulary is even more important to overcome any language barriers. When a referee is communicating with assistants and VAR in a heated, noisy atmosphere, often with players disputing a decision, simplicity of language is similarly key. In the Díaz decision, Hooper’s assistant Simon Long said “give it”, when it was unclear whether he was referring to the goal or the offside. The pilots emphasised the need for more clarity.
It was also noted that communication can be further complicated by similarity in names of those involved. At Spurs, the fourth official was Michael Oliver, while “Oli” was the VAR Hub operations executive Oli Kohout back at Stockley Park.
The 45-minute module from Heaven and Nataraj was not only about clarity of communication but also about staying calm when dealing with incidents. The pilots’ presentation was well received by the officials.
The meeting arose from the desire by Howard Webb, the chief refereeing officer of Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), to broaden the experience of officials. Jon Moss, the Select Group director, had a big hand in the session.
PGMOL introduced a new VAR communication protocol to improve dialogue, echoing what the referees learnt from the pilots about calm confirmation of course of action. Webb has been seeking to highlight the improved VAR communication protocol on his Match Officials: Mic’d Up programme, which attempts to provide more transparency on decision-making.
The Díaz episode sounded even more chaotic because all the audio was released. During incidents themselves, deliberations between the VAR and their assistant are not heard by the on-field referee until the VAR tells the referee whether he is recommending a review.
There is also a push for more clubs to show clips of incidents to explain the decision-making process. Hawk-Eye, the technology used to detect offsides, takes the information from the Stockley Park hub and sends it to clubs, but not all play it back out to crowds, while Anfield and Old Trafford do not have big screens.
The results of the YouGov poll show 79 per cent of the 722 people surveyed want to keep VAR and only 18 per cent want it scrapped, with 3 per cent “don’t knows”.
A clear majority — 66 per cent — want changes, however, and there is strong support for making conversations between referees and VARs public. Of those polled, 78 per cent were in favour of the conversations being broadcast.
Sources said the findings are likely to be discussed by the business meeting of the International FA Board (Ifab), football’s lawmaking body, in London on Tuesday as possible VAR changes are on the agenda.
YouGov interviewed 2,069 people in Britain and asked further questions about VAR to the 722 people who said they were interested in football.
Another significant finding was that 66 per cent backed introducing a time limit for VAR reviews — after which the on-field decision should stand — with 18 per cent opposed to such a change.
However, more people (48 per cent) were against a system in which managers would be allowed a limited number of challenges to decisions, with 32 per cent in favour.
That there is broad support for VAR will be a welcome sign for English football’s authorities, who have been under pressure over mistakes, delays and controversies. The FA and Webb are also pushing Ifab and Fifa for more transparency around making decisions and conversations public.
A YouGov survey in September 2020 showed only 36 per cent of Premier League fans believed the system worked well, but that was an improvement from January 2020, when the figure was only 27 per cent. The September 2020 survey also showed 49 per cent of fans believed that VAR improved the accuracy of refereeing decisions, 25 per cent that it made them worse, and 24 per cent that it made no difference.
Pilots drafted in to help England's top referees
As part of Howard Webb's drive, as head of refereeing, to improve standards around VAR, pilots and air traffic controllers are helping England's top football officials.
www.bbc.com
Pilots help Premier League referees end VAR communication gaffes
Presentation from British Airways duo comes as exclusive YouGov poll for The Times reveals that three quarters of football fans want to keep VAR — but with changes to the system
Presentation from British Airways duo comes as exclusive YouGov poll for The Times reveals that three quarters of football fans want to keep VAR — but with changes to the system
Premier League referees are being helped by British Airways pilots to hone the art of communicating under pressure.
The news comes as an exclusive poll for The Times revealed that more than three quarters of people interested in football want to keep VAR — but most would like to see changes to the system.
The pilots gave a presentation to top-flight officials as part of a drive to improve precision of language after the outcry over the chaotic communication between the VAR, Darren England, the assistant VAR, Dan Cook, and the on-field referee, Simon Hooper, during the Luis Díaz disallowed goal fiasco at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on September 30.
VAR’s attempt to overrule a wrong on-field offside call against Liverpool’s Díaz was ruined by a failure to express the decision properly.
The two pilots, Chris Heaven and Pete Nataraj, gave a presentation to the Select Group officials on the need for clarity and accuracy, minimal syllables, no padding and none of the “well done, boys, good process . . . cheers, mate” informality. Dialogue, they said, should be brief and direct.
Similarities between the two roles, pilot and referee, were discussed. A number of people talk to a pilot before take-off, whether fueller, ground staff, co-pilot and cabin crew, so they learn to filter out the white noise and deal with what’s important. There has to be absolute clarity, particularly when communicating with air traffic control (its staff have also presented to England’s elite referees).
It was also highlighted that when a pilot is landing abroad, a simple, standardised vocabulary is even more important to overcome any language barriers. When a referee is communicating with assistants and VAR in a heated, noisy atmosphere, often with players disputing a decision, simplicity of language is similarly key. In the Díaz decision, Hooper’s assistant Simon Long said “give it”, when it was unclear whether he was referring to the goal or the offside. The pilots emphasised the need for more clarity.
It was also noted that communication can be further complicated by similarity in names of those involved. At Spurs, the fourth official was Michael Oliver, while “Oli” was the VAR Hub operations executive Oli Kohout back at Stockley Park.
The 45-minute module from Heaven and Nataraj was not only about clarity of communication but also about staying calm when dealing with incidents. The pilots’ presentation was well received by the officials.
The meeting arose from the desire by Howard Webb, the chief refereeing officer of Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), to broaden the experience of officials. Jon Moss, the Select Group director, had a big hand in the session.
PGMOL introduced a new VAR communication protocol to improve dialogue, echoing what the referees learnt from the pilots about calm confirmation of course of action. Webb has been seeking to highlight the improved VAR communication protocol on his Match Officials: Mic’d Up programme, which attempts to provide more transparency on decision-making.
The Díaz episode sounded even more chaotic because all the audio was released. During incidents themselves, deliberations between the VAR and their assistant are not heard by the on-field referee until the VAR tells the referee whether he is recommending a review.
There is also a push for more clubs to show clips of incidents to explain the decision-making process. Hawk-Eye, the technology used to detect offsides, takes the information from the Stockley Park hub and sends it to clubs, but not all play it back out to crowds, while Anfield and Old Trafford do not have big screens.
The results of the YouGov poll show 79 per cent of the 722 people surveyed want to keep VAR and only 18 per cent want it scrapped, with 3 per cent “don’t knows”.
A clear majority — 66 per cent — want changes, however, and there is strong support for making conversations between referees and VARs public. Of those polled, 78 per cent were in favour of the conversations being broadcast.
Sources said the findings are likely to be discussed by the business meeting of the International FA Board (Ifab), football’s lawmaking body, in London on Tuesday as possible VAR changes are on the agenda.
YouGov interviewed 2,069 people in Britain and asked further questions about VAR to the 722 people who said they were interested in football.
Another significant finding was that 66 per cent backed introducing a time limit for VAR reviews — after which the on-field decision should stand — with 18 per cent opposed to such a change.
However, more people (48 per cent) were against a system in which managers would be allowed a limited number of challenges to decisions, with 32 per cent in favour.
That there is broad support for VAR will be a welcome sign for English football’s authorities, who have been under pressure over mistakes, delays and controversies. The FA and Webb are also pushing Ifab and Fifa for more transparency around making decisions and conversations public.
A YouGov survey in September 2020 showed only 36 per cent of Premier League fans believed the system worked well, but that was an improvement from January 2020, when the figure was only 27 per cent. The September 2020 survey also showed 49 per cent of fans believed that VAR improved the accuracy of refereeing decisions, 25 per cent that it made them worse, and 24 per cent that it made no difference.
Can't wait til the linos start signaling offside like this:
Off side is one of the most looked at offences looked at by VAR. Why was the off side rule brought in? I can only presume it was to stop an attacker Goal hanging to get a long ball and scoring. However it is now interpreted to mean if any part of an attacker's body is ahead of the defender then it is off side.
Is it really wrong to be so slightly ahead? Therefore although it hurts me to say it Wenger's idea about clear daylight between the players has some merit. However it would need to be Worldwide. VAR does not seem to be as much a problem in European or International matches. Is this because the officials are not British and we are too picky?
Is it really wrong to be so slightly ahead? Therefore although it hurts me to say it Wenger's idea about clear daylight between the players has some merit. However it would need to be Worldwide. VAR does not seem to be as much a problem in European or International matches. Is this because the officials are not British and we are too picky?
What a load of bollocks....Pilots help Premier League referees end VAR communication gaffes
Presentation from British Airways duo comes as exclusive YouGov poll for The Times reveals that three quarters of football fans want to keep VAR — but with changes to the system
Presentation from British Airways duo comes as exclusive YouGov poll for The Times reveals that three quarters of football fans want to keep VAR — but with changes to the system
Premier League referees are being helped by British Airways pilots to hone the art of communicating under pressure.
The news comes as an exclusive poll for The Times revealed that more than three quarters of people interested in football want to keep VAR — but most would like to see changes to the system.
The pilots gave a presentation to top-flight officials as part of a drive to improve precision of language after the outcry over the chaotic communication between the VAR, Darren England, the assistant VAR, Dan Cook, and the on-field referee, Simon Hooper, during the Luis Díaz disallowed goal fiasco at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on September 30.
VAR’s attempt to overrule a wrong on-field offside call against Liverpool’s Díaz was ruined by a failure to express the decision properly.
The two pilots, Chris Heaven and Pete Nataraj, gave a presentation to the Select Group officials on the need for clarity and accuracy, minimal syllables, no padding and none of the “well done, boys, good process . . . cheers, mate” informality. Dialogue, they said, should be brief and direct.
Similarities between the two roles, pilot and referee, were discussed. A number of people talk to a pilot before take-off, whether fueller, ground staff, co-pilot and cabin crew, so they learn to filter out the white noise and deal with what’s important. There has to be absolute clarity, particularly when communicating with air traffic control (its staff have also presented to England’s elite referees).
It was also highlighted that when a pilot is landing abroad, a simple, standardised vocabulary is even more important to overcome any language barriers. When a referee is communicating with assistants and VAR in a heated, noisy atmosphere, often with players disputing a decision, simplicity of language is similarly key. In the Díaz decision, Hooper’s assistant Simon Long said “give it”, when it was unclear whether he was referring to the goal or the offside. The pilots emphasised the need for more clarity.
It was also noted that communication can be further complicated by similarity in names of those involved. At Spurs, the fourth official was Michael Oliver, while “Oli” was the VAR Hub operations executive Oli Kohout back at Stockley Park.
The 45-minute module from Heaven and Nataraj was not only about clarity of communication but also about staying calm when dealing with incidents. The pilots’ presentation was well received by the officials.
The meeting arose from the desire by Howard Webb, the chief refereeing officer of Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), to broaden the experience of officials. Jon Moss, the Select Group director, had a big hand in the session.
PGMOL introduced a new VAR communication protocol to improve dialogue, echoing what the referees learnt from the pilots about calm confirmation of course of action. Webb has been seeking to highlight the improved VAR communication protocol on his Match Officials: Mic’d Up programme, which attempts to provide more transparency on decision-making.
The Díaz episode sounded even more chaotic because all the audio was released. During incidents themselves, deliberations between the VAR and their assistant are not heard by the on-field referee until the VAR tells the referee whether he is recommending a review.
There is also a push for more clubs to show clips of incidents to explain the decision-making process. Hawk-Eye, the technology used to detect offsides, takes the information from the Stockley Park hub and sends it to clubs, but not all play it back out to crowds, while Anfield and Old Trafford do not have big screens.
The results of the YouGov poll show 79 per cent of the 722 people surveyed want to keep VAR and only 18 per cent want it scrapped, with 3 per cent “don’t knows”.
A clear majority — 66 per cent — want changes, however, and there is strong support for making conversations between referees and VARs public. Of those polled, 78 per cent were in favour of the conversations being broadcast.
Sources said the findings are likely to be discussed by the business meeting of the International FA Board (Ifab), football’s lawmaking body, in London on Tuesday as possible VAR changes are on the agenda.
YouGov interviewed 2,069 people in Britain and asked further questions about VAR to the 722 people who said they were interested in football.
Another significant finding was that 66 per cent backed introducing a time limit for VAR reviews — after which the on-field decision should stand — with 18 per cent opposed to such a change.
However, more people (48 per cent) were against a system in which managers would be allowed a limited number of challenges to decisions, with 32 per cent in favour.
That there is broad support for VAR will be a welcome sign for English football’s authorities, who have been under pressure over mistakes, delays and controversies. The FA and Webb are also pushing Ifab and Fifa for more transparency around making decisions and conversations public.
A YouGov survey in September 2020 showed only 36 per cent of Premier League fans believed the system worked well, but that was an improvement from January 2020, when the figure was only 27 per cent. The September 2020 survey also showed 49 per cent of fans believed that VAR improved the accuracy of refereeing decisions, 25 per cent that it made them worse, and 24 per cent that it made no difference.
so VAR didn't work for the Gil elbow and handball sequence. How convenient.
And yet it did work for their disallowed goal, when it would have been the easiest thing in the world to draw the lines marginally differently or take the moment the ball was played back a split second if there really were this evil conspiracy against us.
And as for Cash's late lunge, it was a yellow all day long, never a red.
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