Tottenham v Newcastle (Sunday 25 August 16.30)

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Thanks for the memories, Gaffa.
Yep, the teams that create space are the teams with players that make the quick run in the box and “attack”, or run to the pass, rather than maintaining the same path hoping the pass arrives before the defender. See the Mane and Moe show.

Both have the raw materials so why are they not doing so?
 
This might sound naïve, but I've always wondered why there aren't more set plays in open play "off the training ground" like you get in rugby or basketball. Obviously difficult to set up against an aggressive opponent, but matches like today, we had plenty of opportunities for an AM to set some up. E.g. Eriksen flashes a gang sign and Kane and Son make a double run with Lucas peeling off, Eriksen reads the defenders and either lobs, lays, or drives.

The beautiful game is free flowing, with instinctual creativity from gifted technical players, but when you're facing a bunkered defence, you get shit like today if you've not got a proper plan for unlocking it. We knew what they were gonna do, and yet we just passed it off, stood still, and hoped someone came up with some magic pass on the spot. Very little 1-2s, pass and move, driving, lay offs, etc.

There's a drill we see all the time where a player plays a ball to someone with back to goal on the edge of the box, he lays it off, and the initial passer runs up and blasts it. Try shit like that in the fucking game! Yes we'd lose possession quickly and more often, but surely against a bunkered team where we can win it back easier it's better than tapping it sideways for 3 minutes.
Hated this at the time but love the move. Always wondered why other teams don't try variations on it...

 
Gotta say it's hard to take you seriously as anything but a WUM when your first post is saying get rid of "Potch" (sic). Before taking controversial positions it is usually a decent plan to establish your bona fides as an actual supporter lest folks view you with a jaundiced eye.
I can understand why you might think that.

I've just seen this exact same carbon copy performance too many times now, he gets the selection wrong, we start slow, he waits until the 60th minute to change it, we end up losing or drawing.
And as I said we lost far too many games last season which was papered over by the CL run.

All will be forgiven if we beat that lot at the Death Star next week.

But I have some lingering doubts
 

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I really don't like the way we set up for games, our formation, our approach. There, I said it. Haven't liked it for a while. Not all the time, don't get me wrong, but I feel like we hold ourselves back so often and I don't understand why we have no movement, we are so damn static, it feels a bit paint-by-numbers at times. We like to grind teams down with patient build up and relying on our superior quality to win the day, when I think we have the talent to dominate teams instead, to blow them away with fire, but Poch doesn't allow it. I'm starting to find it really frustrating.

We will get better this season, have a good run or two and things will click and all will be forgotten, I suppose, but I do wish Poch would evolve a bit quicker sometimes.
 
I really don't like the way we set up for games, our formation, our approach. There, I said it. Haven't liked it for a while. Not all the time, don't get me wrong, but I feel like we hold ourselves back so often and I don't understand why we have no movement, we are so damn static, it feels a bit paint-by-numbers at times. We like to grind teams down with patient build up and relying on our superior quality to win the day, when I think we have the talent to dominate teams instead, to blow them away with fire, but Poch doesn't allow it. I'm starting to find it really frustrating.

We will get better this season, have a good run or two and things will click and all will be forgotten, I suppose, but I do wish Poch would evolve a bit quicker sometimes.
For 6 months now everything has been sideways. Its not good to watch
 
Lo Celso's half hour was pretty disappointing, I was hoping him and Eriksen were going to be the keys to unlocking their defence. He looked like he didn't understand what he was supposed to be doing or where he was supposed to be.

Just have to hope it comes in time with work in training
Got to disagree here BM, I thought he played the cleverest pass of that game, the only one that got one of players in behind the defence in the area - apart from Eriksen's to Sissoko) which Kane should have made more of, but was also a bit unlucky not to get a pen.

I actually thought we looked a quantum deal better when Lo Celso and Eriksen came on, it was still a fucking struggle against a bus park getting deeper and deeper, but all of a sudden we had two players who at least were getting their heads up and looking for some movement ahead of them, instead of Sissoko, Lamela, Son and Moura bumbling around with their heads down.
 
Some rants -

- I don’t want to see Sissoko play in the PL against any team that will sit back. Much rather have Skipp there.
- I really don’t like Lucas against teams that sit back.
- Eriksen should start every single game when available.
- I’d like to see Davies get some games.
- I’m excited to see Ndombele, Winks, Eriksen, and Lo Celso all on the pitch together to break down teams
 
There was always something that bothered me about Lucas despite the great energy he gives. I realized today that he seems to run around a lot but doesn't really seem to have a purpose to his running. It's almost like he runs into people's way.
 
The way we approach home games against lesser opposition who sit deep is so predictably woeful and toothless, and it needs to change.
I can't remember the last time we really went at such a side from the outset and tried to blitz em. Poch always talks about "aggresivity" but I rarely see it in the first 20 mins so what the fuck happens on the training pitch all week?
 
Not going to read through this thread because I’d end up slitting my throat so apologies for any repetition but we have been playing this shite for months and it is fucking awful to watch - really beginning to think poch has past his peak and has been found out - team seems a disorganised mess that is the worst performance I can remember in a long time - Kane is going to lose his undropable tag if he keeps playing like he did today
Don’t think we will be near top 4 this season and dreading next week
 
How much of today’s game involved Spurs playing the ball very slowly from one side of the pitch to the other around 25 yards from the Newcastle goal, five yard passes until the ball was played into their box to be met by a Newcastle head or boot, cleared then retrieved, rinse and repeat.
To be fair, they defended quite well but sadly only because Spurs failed to test them enough.
The non penalty at the end would have salvaged a point had it been awarded and converted but it was a pretty disappointing performance overall against a poor team.
 
How much of today’s game involved Spurs playing the ball from one side of the pitch to the other around 25 yards from the Newcastle goal, five yard passes until the ball was played into their box to be met by a Newcastle head or boot, cleared then retrieved, rinse and repeat.
To be fair, they defended quite well but sadly only because Spurs failed to test them enough.
The non penalty at the end would have salvaged a point had it been awarded and converted but it was a pretty disappointing performance overall against a poor team.
Nailed it
 

todd1882

One of Mrs P's anointed
Got to disagree here BM, I thought he played the cleverest pass of that game, the only one that got one of players in behind the defence in the area - apart from Eriksen's to Sissoko) which Kane should have made more of, but was also a bit unlucky not to get a pen.
I think you are forgetting about another great move and pass to get in behind. It was a more complex play as well. It's on the tip of my tongue but perhaps you will remember it first.
 

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Poch's overall win percentage in all comps with us is 56%

Our win percentage in all comps in 2019:

45%

I think (and i may not be correct on this) that we have won jut four PL games from our last fifteen? That's piss poor, and on our current form would suggest another twelve plus losses this season.
 
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